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England2662 Posts
Positives
+ I think the better organised the tournament, is, the better the games are. This event had amazing games.
+ The whole atmosphere and the crowd were amazing.
+ Essentially, all the production and that was great and it meant that we could enjoy an absolutely incredible tournament.
+ A brilliant merge of a casual and professional tournament made it one of the most fun events I've watched for any game. It really matches the LoL vibe.
Negatives
- The interviews were decent but I think you need someone that isn't Travis for them. I don't think he fits for an on-stage interview.
- K-pop. Please don't, it's not linked to the LoL scene at all. It was enjoyed as a gimmick this time, don't bring it back.
- No booths for the players and having players on stage with a delay. The delay is something that can't be changed by IPL right now but I think the players really want booths. I think most people will agree that Curse vs Mono game 3 was incredible and the crowd were such a huge factor there. Give the players booths and give the crowd thundersticks.
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Im 99% sure that the kpop was used because Gom had already paid for the music so IPL just used it instead of having to pay liscencing fee's for western stuff.
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On April 09 2012 11:15 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Positives:- Interview quality was much better than before and elicited some more insightful answers. In particular, some of the interviews Travis did were very good. This should continue.
- Really great atmosphere created at the venue and strong audience engagement with the production. The cheering was very good and the casters were able to feed off it.
- Having multiple hosts including Cristina Vee helped smooth transitions between activies. Having personalities come up and do the hosting would be recommended for future IPLs.
- Average Gatsby twitter updates were very appreciated.
Negatives:- Terrible sound work. Mics were picking up random background noise or shorting out. Sound levels were mixed wrong in general. For instance, in-game sound not being broadcast, the casters being quiet and then cutting to a super loud commercial, caster mics having their volume suddenly changed without warning mid-sentence, etc. There was no quality control throughout IPL.
- The videos played during the breaks would sometimes suddenly go off in the middle of the caster/host/interviewer speaking. There seemed to be no management or control during the first two days.
- During Rioters v Pros game, someone decided to randomly flash a troll face picture on screen. It's distracting and unprofessional. The image wasn't even high resolution. It looked like some low quality picture rapidly taken off Google and resized in Paint. I understand that this was supposed to be about fun. But having a troll face flashing on screen is really childish and distracting. The focus should be the actual game and additions should enhance the experience, not detract from it.
- During the games, the player cam view would often spoil results early. The feed needs to be delayed to not ruin the endings of games. OGN does this very well.
- At the prize ceremony, the Head of Riot and IPL gave their speech in the middle of the prize ceremony after the 2nd and 3rd place awards were given out. This make the 2nd and 3rd place awards awkward as a trophy was just handed to them and the teams had no idea what they were supposed to do. It also seems incredibly disrespectful as they don't have anyone coming up to present them with a trophy and shake their hands. They just get passed something off-camera and shooed off stage. At IEM, Carmac does his speech first and then does the ceremonies so then there is interaction and breaks the awkwardness and everyone is personally congratulated.
Agree with everything. I would only add one thing...
- Stop broadcasting host information and "swag" talk on stream, as a stream viewer I'm not the least interested in the fact that I can buy a poster for 15 bucks in a booth or that I can get a tshirt if I talk to ms X, Y or Z. Overall improvement on stream production is needed.
PS. A second stream for the few games played off air would be nice.
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+ Well organized overall.
+ Crowd was decent and there was quite great atmosphere
+ As a Starcraft 2 player I've so long tried to ignore LoL, but I gotta admit it is just as any team games there are. Of course it is different and shouldn't be compared to RTS/FPS games but I think this was the first time I really enjoyed watching LoL from stream.
- K-pop, enough said?
- No team booths. I just don't like the fact that there are so huge ammount of money on the line and if people will start shouting "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in early game it possibly will give easy firstblood if are responded correctly. Also this contains baron / dragon / buff takings.
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On April 09 2012 22:00 PeZuY wrote:
+ Well organized overall.
+ Crowd was decent and there was quite great atmosphere
+ As a Starcraft 2 player I've so long tried to ignore LoL, but I gotta admit it is just as any team games there are. Of course it is different and shouldn't be compared to RTS/FPS games but I think this was the first time I really enjoyed watching LoL from stream.
- K-pop, enough said?
- No team booths. I just don't like the fact that there are so huge ammount of money on the line and if people will start shouting "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in early game it possibly will give easy firstblood if are responded correctly. Also this contains baron / dragon / buff takings.
There is a delay on what the crowd and viewers watch, it's built in to the spectator mode LoL is using. But they need booths or something to be able to communicate when the crowd is screaming about something that happend 3 min ago.
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On April 09 2012 22:05 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 22:00 PeZuY wrote:
+ Well organized overall.
+ Crowd was decent and there was quite great atmosphere
+ As a Starcraft 2 player I've so long tried to ignore LoL, but I gotta admit it is just as any team games there are. Of course it is different and shouldn't be compared to RTS/FPS games but I think this was the first time I really enjoyed watching LoL from stream.
- K-pop, enough said?
- No team booths. I just don't like the fact that there are so huge ammount of money on the line and if people will start shouting "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in early game it possibly will give easy firstblood if are responded correctly. Also this contains baron / dragon / buff takings.
There is a delay on what the crowd and viewers watch, it's built in to the spectator mode LoL is using. But they need booths or something to be able to communicate when the crowd is screaming about something that happend 3 min ago.
Okey I didn't know about the delay thing: ) thats kinda good if it is implemented. How long is the delay btw?
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On April 09 2012 11:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
General question to all: what formats could you suggest if not the one used at IPL4? Bo5 with 1 game advantage for the finals makes sense to me, as opposed to 2x Bo3 with 1 set advantage.
I think this is the best way to do it. You've got to give some advantage to the team in the Winner's bracket, but I really don't like the idea of having two "potential" championship matches. Just do it as one match, hopefully with a longer-than-normal break after two games so the players aren't too, too tired.
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On April 09 2012 21:40 Flicky wrote:
Positives
+ I think the better organised the tournament, is, the better the games are. This event had amazing games.
+ The whole atmosphere and the crowd were amazing.
+ Essentially, all the production and that was great and it meant that we could enjoy an absolutely incredible tournament.
+ A brilliant merge of a casual and professional tournament made it one of the most fun events I've watched for any game. It really matches the LoL vibe.
Negatives
- The interviews were decent but I think you need someone that isn't Travis for them. I don't think he fits for an on-stage interview.
- K-pop. Please don't, it's not linked to the LoL scene at all. It was enjoyed as a gimmick this time, don't bring it back.
- No booths for the players and having players on stage with a delay. The delay is something that can't be changed by IPL right now but I think the players really want booths. I think most people will agree that Curse vs Mono game 3 was incredible and the crowd were such a huge factor there. Give the players booths and give the crowd thundersticks.
Booths for a crew of 5 aren't realistic. It's either them on stage or in a side room. The noise was partially a result of the small space given for the lol stage.
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Positives
+ Very Entertaining. I enjoyed the casters interacting with the crowd. Even the commercials didn't suck.
+ The stage was decorated well, and I enjoyed the interviews. I liked the pro's who were guest commentators, as they brought a better game sense to the casting allowing for a deeper understanding.
+ The atmosphere of the whole tournament seemed to be focused around fun and having a good time.
+ Double elimination format was a plus, I had been looking for something like this in LoL for a long time.
Negatives
- I didn't like how there was a lack of graphics overlays. Like OGN does in there tournaments. Not a big deal, but I feel more graphic overlays would have made it like watching a superbowl or world series type of professional sporting event.
- When things like the smoke was going on stage, the camera wasn't able to capture the atmosphere of the venue, I feel if a camera had been installed to get a bird's eye view from the stage looking at the crowd, it would have brought the venue and feel of being there into our living rooms. Just seeing the crowd cheering is one of those little things I thought was missing.
- There were a few technical difficulties I hope would be resolved in future events. Mics not working, stream sound/video cutting out. Other than that I think it was an excellent event and look for to many more in the future.
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United States37500 Posts
Morning all,
Thanks to everyone who have provide their thoughts and ways to improve future IPLs. I'll work on consolidating the input into the OP later today.
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On April 09 2012 23:02 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:25 TheYango wrote:On April 09 2012 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
General question to all: what formats could you suggest if not the one used at IPL4? Bo5 with 1 game advantage for the finals makes sense to me, as opposed to 2x Bo3 with 1 set advantage. I think this is the best way to do it. You've got to give some advantage to the team in the Winner's bracket, but I really don't like the idea of having two "potential" championship matches. Just do it as one match, hopefully with a longer-than-normal break after two games so the players aren't too, too tired.
This is the #1 thing. It's nuts to expect teams to play potentially 6 more games for the finals alone when there's a chance they already played each other 3 times in the tournament.
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Positives: smoothly run event, nice little breaks wtih the riot vs pros thing, KPOP <3, and overall good play to watch for someone who isnt a huge LoL fan or believer.
Negatives: State of the League: WTF, besides the fact that it was awful and not funny..the players really need to present themselves in a more professional manner both speaking and the way they look. It is an embarrassment to professional gaming the way the LoL community and pros present themselves, and if LoL really wants to have any kind of sustainability or attract actual legit teams and sponsors like other games have successfully done for years, the pros need to clean up their act. Seriously, some weird awkward kids that look like they rolled out of bed, no team attire, WITH PILLOWS..i just look at a team like EGs sc2 squad and look at some of those kids doing that awkward ripoff show and it just makes me /facepalm. ok //endrant
Finals too long, commentary just mediocre.
overall it made me a little more interested in LoL but yeah it really needs to take a step up on a professional level. I understand there are much younger kids watching and playing but compare giant kid with pillow to Leenock or Maru from SC2....yeah.
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On April 10 2012 01:04 Irre wrote:
Positives: smoothly run event, nice little breaks wtih the riot vs pros thing, KPOP <3, and overall good play to watch for someone who isnt a huge LoL fan or believer.
Negatives: State of the League: WTF, besides the fact that it was awful and not funny..the players really need to present themselves in a more professional manner both speaking and the way they look. It is an embarrassment to professional gaming the way the LoL community and pros present themselves, and if LoL really wants to have any kind of sustainability or attract actual legit teams and sponsors like other games have successfully done for years, the pros need to clean up their act. Seriously, some weird awkward kids that look like they rolled out of bed, no team attire, WITH PILLOWS..i just look at a team like EGs sc2 squad and look at some of those kids doing that awkward ripoff show and it just makes me /facepalm. ok //endrant
Finals too long, commentary just mediocre.
overall it made me a little more interested in LoL but yeah it really needs to take a step up on a professional level. I understand there are much younger kids watching and playing but compare giant kid with pillow to Leenock or Maru from SC2....yeah.
The funny thing is that "kid witch pillow", Dyrus, is the most popular LoL player and always has 15 000+ watching his daily streams. So the pillow is a trademark, like it was with Huk.
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On April 10 2012 00:49 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 23:02 GeorgeForeman wrote:On April 09 2012 11:25 TheYango wrote:On April 09 2012 11:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
General question to all: what formats could you suggest if not the one used at IPL4? Bo5 with 1 game advantage for the finals makes sense to me, as opposed to 2x Bo3 with 1 set advantage. I think this is the best way to do it. You've got to give some advantage to the team in the Winner's bracket, but I really don't like the idea of having two "potential" championship matches. Just do it as one match, hopefully with a longer-than-normal break after two games so the players aren't too, too tired. This is the #1 thing. It's nuts to expect teams to play potentially 6 more games for the finals alone when there's a chance they already played each other 3 times in the tournament.
I don't like this format, and I will show you why. Say we have 4 teams. A,B,C,D.
RD 1
A vs D 2-0
B vs C 2-1
Winner's finals A vs B 2-0
Loser's rd 1
C vs D 2-1
Loser's finals
B vs C 1-2
Team A is 4-0 Team C is 5-4
so team a wins game 1 loses the next 3
Team C wins with a record of 8-5 (61.5 win%)
Team A gets second with a record of 5-3 (62.5 win%)
Say it is a 2 bo3 format for the finals and Team C wins 2-1 both times
Team A 6-4 Team C is 9-6 now they both have 60% win rates, but the having the finals going 6 games make it seem the better team became champion.
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England2662 Posts
On April 09 2012 23:58 Asshat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 21:40 Flicky wrote:
Positives
+ I think the better organised the tournament, is, the better the games are. This event had amazing games.
+ The whole atmosphere and the crowd were amazing.
+ Essentially, all the production and that was great and it meant that we could enjoy an absolutely incredible tournament.
+ A brilliant merge of a casual and professional tournament made it one of the most fun events I've watched for any game. It really matches the LoL vibe.
Negatives
- The interviews were decent but I think you need someone that isn't Travis for them. I don't think he fits for an on-stage interview.
- K-pop. Please don't, it's not linked to the LoL scene at all. It was enjoyed as a gimmick this time, don't bring it back.
- No booths for the players and having players on stage with a delay. The delay is something that can't be changed by IPL right now but I think the players really want booths. I think most people will agree that Curse vs Mono game 3 was incredible and the crowd were such a huge factor there. Give the players booths and give the crowd thundersticks. Booths for a crew of 5 aren't realistic. It's either them on stage or in a side room. The noise was partially a result of the small space given for the lol stage.
OGN have booths for 5 players. If they can do, IPL can do it.
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Hard to afford booths when your game company only invest 2 million for the season, yo. (my single gripe with the tourney i liked everything else. Casters will improve in time so idc.)
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On April 10 2012 02:03 Flicky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 23:58 Asshat wrote:On April 09 2012 21:40 Flicky wrote:
Positives
+ I think the better organised the tournament, is, the better the games are. This event had amazing games.
+ The whole atmosphere and the crowd were amazing.
+ Essentially, all the production and that was great and it meant that we could enjoy an absolutely incredible tournament.
+ A brilliant merge of a casual and professional tournament made it one of the most fun events I've watched for any game. It really matches the LoL vibe.
Negatives
- The interviews were decent but I think you need someone that isn't Travis for them. I don't think he fits for an on-stage interview.
- K-pop. Please don't, it's not linked to the LoL scene at all. It was enjoyed as a gimmick this time, don't bring it back.
- No booths for the players and having players on stage with a delay. The delay is something that can't be changed by IPL right now but I think the players really want booths. I think most people will agree that Curse vs Mono game 3 was incredible and the crowd were such a huge factor there. Give the players booths and give the crowd thundersticks. Booths for a crew of 5 aren't realistic. It's either them on stage or in a side room. The noise was partially a result of the small space given for the lol stage. OGN have booths for 5 players. If they can do, IPL can do it.
Why set up booths, when you can provide high quality sound proof headsets for casters/players?
Much cheaper and much more efficient IMO.
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United States37500 Posts
Booths are expensive, haha. 15K for one that can hopefully hold 5 computers and a table.
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positives
-premium (tho I didn't get it, we'll get into that) being $5 is a very reasonable price.
-dan dinh, your best caster imo
-crowd/rioter matches to fill what would otherwise be downtime
-non riot employee casters in general, I actually think Phreak and Rivington are decent casters, but they spoil it with their gushing over even flaws in the game.
negatives
I hate to do the whole this is what sponsors want thing but I've two I'll say fast to get it over with
-clearly you were not using the astro headsets, you could see the nice stage mic sticking out from underneath, the Red Baron gunnars thing was a little silly but that I can see, but with the headsets it's like use it or lose it, the teams are clearly using them so why do you have pretend the casters are?
ok, viewer negatives
-the fact that you quited down the crowd was really disapointing, they were creating a moment in e-sports (not even trying to be melodramatic) whatever your reasons are, I disagree. If it was too loud for the teams to communicate, then they could hear the casting anyway so you need to improve your setup.
-holiday weekend, only reason I didn't chip in the $5 is I couldn't watch all of championship Sunday.
-double elimination, most anti climactic format in esports. group stage + single elim just as accurate w/o the tournament being over after winners finals 80% of the time.
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Positives
+ everything
Negatives
- room was smaller than SC2 room
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