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oxxo
988 Posts
+ Good format, much better than the weird tourneys that essentially penalize winners bracket. + Good crowd. + Pretty good game casters. + Games started on time. Negatives - Missed games being played due to 1 stream. - The non-game commentators were pretty bad (Cristina Vee, etc.) - Need sound-proof booths. - Sound problems on stream. - Sometimes staff didn't seem to know what was supposed to happen next. Would be talking while still on mic etc. | ||
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sethrakill
United States8 Posts
+ K POP + Stuck to the schedule posted in the sidebar + player interviews Negatives - unable to cast off stage matches in down time/ no highlight reel of off stage matches -limited number of interviews for down time | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
+ The crowd was interactive and awesome + Free stream quality was good enough, have no complaints about the video + Very little technical difficulties for players during matches (very few pauses) + Some awesome games + Phreak and Rivington did a pretty fine job at casting Negatives - The chicks on the stage, I don't get what it adds, but it at least it wasn't as bad as IEM - Kpop - More Kpop - Audio production. While video production was something I was really happy about whole tournament, audio was horrendous. Random volume levels, sound travelling from left to right, caster mics either bad quality or set wrong so they would break sound, crack and pop and when they got excited it would break ears. Sometimes game sounds would be on, sometimes not, sometimes too loud, often times way too quiet. I didn't hear most interviews during days 1 and 2 because of this. - The other casting duo, it was not engaging, awesome plays might happen and they would not react, some other times they'd be shouting so the mic cracks. Not really insightful commentary, game knowledge leaves a lot to desire. Obsing was horrendous, missing action, moving the screen far too much around during a fight. - Only one stream - Time for non amuricans. I was diehard for the first 2 days, staying up from 8pm to 6-7am and then on the finals day, I fell asleep at midnight, missing the finals, but good thing there's probably vods for me. Timezones are hard for any tournament though, so this is like a minor negative. - Player cams spoiled results 3 minutes ahead some games. - Kpop, it doesn't belong here, please. There was 0 connection for a LoL only viewer of why there's suddenly korean jailbaits jumping on the screen with awful music. - After watching the finals vods, this Q&A with Dan in S2G1 is soooo freaking annoying to listen to. Overall pretty nice tournament. Time was hard for a GMT +3 viewer, but such is the way it is. Audio production sucked balls, video production was nice, LoL still needs real casters, we need more bans. Dyrus wins | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
cons- they should delay the player reactions by 3 minutes on online stream so that we can see how they react to plays. that really is the one major issue i had during the games because we'd often times see when a game was over | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:40 Two_DoWn wrote: Do it on paper and use a drag and drop app like they used to until riot gets their shit together. I don't think a single tournament can really afford to make that kind of switch because if they're the only tournament that does it, none of the pros are going to practice it, which means it's not really going to accomplish anything. Riot really has to endorse the format for it to work. On another note, consider the following scenario for Bo5 with 1 game advantage vs. 2x Bo3 with 1 set advantage. Suppose our winner's bracket team and loser's bracket team are equally good, and have a 50% chance of winning any given game. In a Bo5 with 1 game advantage, the Winner's bracket finalist has a 0.6875 chance of winning (WW, LWW, LLWW, WLW, LWLW, WLLW). In a 2x Bo3 with 1 set advantage, the Winner's bracket finalist has a 0.75 chance of winning (WW, WLW, LWW, LLWW, LLWLW, LLLWW, LWLWW, LWLWLW, LWLLWW, WLLWW, WLLWLW, WLLLWW). So there's a slight bit less advantage for the the Winner's bracket finalist, but you finish the series in 1-2 less games in most cases. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Otherwise I much prefer a single game in a bo5 over 2 bo3. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
Pros - The atmosphere was great, the crowd seemed genuinely excited about the matches. Made watching it from home a lot more enjoyable. For the most part, the production was very good. Cons - Although the production was good, I still don't understand the Kpop and the random troll face appearing. The kpop made me mute the stream, and the random troll face was just unprofessional. I know they can't cater to everyone's music tastes, but can we please get something more genuinely good then kpop? Audio was awful, this has been expounded on before. Casters could have been better. Hopefully the ones they use gain knowledge/they get new commentaters (I hear Jatt is good, but I've never heard him commentate so I can't really say). Timing. But I doubt that they'll get unlucky enough to put the next IPL on the same days as a major in golf  | ||
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dano101
Canada92 Posts
+Christina Vee was a cute host +The audience +Dan Dinh commentating +The interviews Negative -Christina Vee, while being a cute host, is inexperienced and needs a co-host that knows how to transition properly and create some hype -The audio: Completely random audio levels at times, bad quality, mics not working at certain times, mics being left on during commercials, commentator being too loud and shredding my ears -The commentators were just plain bad besides Dan Dinh. The Riot duo were passable. As others have said, it's really bad when the commentator keeps asking the pro questions. Just commentate then let the pro make his observations and analysis. -Award Ceremony: Just plain bad, awkward, and unprofessional. At least discuss with the players before hand how the ceremony will go rather than just bringing them on stage and expecting them to know what to do. Like others suggests, have the top dogs make their speech, then bring the teams on one at a time to shake hands and get their trophies. Don't ask the teams that just lost questions, because you know they have to be feeling down at that point... -The K-Pop: I'm more neutral on this, but at least vary song selection or put in different type of music rather than playing bubble-pop 24/7 -Audience Noise: If it's a problem for players then maybe this needs to be addressed by putting them separate from the fans who naturally want to be loud? -Video quality: Really strained my eyes to read the numbers. Maybe next patch will address making the UI more visible in low quality. -The interviews: I don't like the interviewer (Travis). It's probably a personal thing but I've noticed others say he's just not charismatic and doesn't bring much to the table so maybe that is it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Bluebush
United States218 Posts
+ Great crowd / venue + Good format - should have shown more of the games though. + Phreak / Rivington / Dan were all good casters Negatives - The other casters were meh. - Series were too spaced out - a Bo3 will never take four hours. It's stupid to have 2+ hour breaks. - Too many series missed - maybe half the series were off stream the first two days. They could have just run one right after another and it'd still be done in under four hours most of the time. - Cameras/audio spoiled most of the games in the last few minutes. This was my #1 biggest complaint by far - A lot of the time-fillers were awkward at best Overall a successful tournament but the downtime was a real buzzkill E: forgot the best part - the crowd yelling to the casters when a fight was going on, to make sure they didn't miss the action. God bless you for that, crowd. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
+ Alot of interviews of diferent persons that are active or were active in the scene (kobe lol) + Recap at the end of the day with numerous players + Kpop was funny and gave something to have a laught about during dead times + The audience, the cheers, the sticks, the crowd on saturday was extremely noisy but it gave the game alot more of enjoyement for me + No technical problems lag wise or hardware wise for the player that were too noticeable + Showmatches, hosts, giveaway, activitys to keep the audience awake and making break times enjoyable. + Free stream and very good quality, 480p was absolutly perfect for me Negatives - Sound management was badly done, contrast between comentator sound, comercials, kpop, other comentators, host, ingame sound... everything was uneven and required the viewers to adjust manually stream sound all the time - Camera management was going between mediocre, terrible, drunk pirate quality. Having the audience point thing to you is not good, neither is making the viewers sea sick. - Players not sound proofed from the crowd, they complained about the noise and the electrical atmosphere we had on saturday stopped like that. - In game delay and players camera, not a hudge deal but the fact that the live player feed is not in synch with the game we watch defeats the purpose of a player cam - Comentators and hosts. This will sound a little harsh but some comentators were borderline anoying to hear. From the "i think" "i feel" to the non stop flood of questions, also the poor construction of dead times made them say some completly mistaken statements more than once. Interviews always look improvised, questions seem random and usually are kind of uninteresting. - trollfaces were childish and unfunny, complete mood killer for me. Using an internet meme once can be funny, forcing it several time is just lame. - Only one stream = missed games =( Overall i enjoyed the whole event alot, i saw alot of games and it was the best LoL tournament viewing experience for me. I am definetly looking foward the next one | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
+ Dan Dinh casting, was really nice. + No 1 game advantage bo3. + Christina Vee. Negatives - Audio throughout the event. Very inconsistent sound levels which either killed your ears or had you turning your volume up to be scared to death by random advertisement. - One stream. There really should have been two. Not having some of the most anticipated games shown is a bit of a let down. - Scheduling. Primarily because I'm EU. All the biggest matches were late in the night. I was thinking about buying a HD pass until I saw the scheduling of the matches. Missed TSM vs CLG, missed CLG vs Dig, TSM vs Dig, all the highly anticipated matches. Of course there area vods, but watching live is pretty important! | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
in its current state i think that 5 bucks for a weekend is the maximum you can spend on ipl without getting disappointed. the rest has already been stated multiple times, no need for me to repeat it. | ||
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Fen2
Australia51 Posts
- Games ran on schedule - Tournament seemed to run smoothly - Riot team were good casters - Showmatches were great for downtime Negatives - Lack of consistancy in professionalism When organising an event like this, you need to decide if you are going to go for a professional approach, or a fun approach. Sadly not everyone was on the same level, which resulted in many things coming across as very awkward and thus nerdy - Consistancy of clothing There should never really be a point where a girl in a cocktail dress is co-presenting with a couple of guys in jeans/tshirt. Then cutting to a fat nerdy appearing guy wearing a suit interviewing someone in a hoodie is a big wtf. There needs to be consistancy here. Either everyone goes for a professional look or no-one does. (Obviously the girls in cocktail dresses were for eyecandy, but they just look out of place when everyone else is dressed soo casually) Teams should also be asked to wear matching clothing. This is a team game, and thus players should be identfiable as a team by the way they look . They dont have to buy team clothing, but just at the least go to the same store and buy 5 of the same black shirt or something. - Kpop + Trollfaces This was an american run tournament, in Las Vegas, on a game which was produced by an american company and you're playing something that is very uniquely korean culture. All this did was reinforce that this tournament was about the nerdy asian steryotype. Trollfaces have no place in a professional event - Lack of experience/Charisma This is a minor note, but it was apparant in a few people, such as Chistina Vee, and Travis, and all this does is add to awkwardness. | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
+ Pretty smooth transition between games + Better scheduling in general + Atmosphere/crowd Negatives - casters were even worse than before. metacasting how he can't hear his cocaster and then saying how it probably wasnt' important anyways? need someone who can at least be professional enough to not make it awkward for his cocaster - extended series finals is... too long =/ | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
+ smooth stream with good quality even with only 480p, no lags at all + alot teams, alot games, bo3 instead of bo1 + the crowd Negatives - kpop... need play more songs and add some western music - need more team, especially from europe - the ceremony sucks... | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
- dyrus is a showman and works the crowd more then any 'real' presenter did. - the matches were great, upsets bigplays n baseraces negatives - the time between matches was just too long. You lose all the european fans if the final starts at 03:00 in he night - the streamquality at 480... I understand making money is needed but put that on a real hq stream. lol has lots of tiny numbers that you cant even read on 480 - the casters need something. phreak needs to calm down and let rivington speak. the other duo needs gameknowledge and some humor thats actually funny... - needs more guestcasters! Theres 8 pro teams with alot of knowledge , put more up there! | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
+ Greatly run tournament + Crowd environment made it fun to watch + Riven voice girl was awesome (Christina Vee I think that's her name) Negatives - The final, CLG wins 2-0 then TSM wins 2-0 and TSM take the championship? why not just allow the 2 teams to have 1 bo5 or bo7 or something, make it a fair final.. having a team walk into the final knowing they only have to win 2 games of 3 while the other team has to win twice as many is stupid. Especially since CLG didn't get knocked down to losers bracket by TSM. - Commentators, I don't really like the current commentators.. Dan Dinh was pretty good but the others not so much. Need Tastosis or Day9 :D | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
+ Good games. + Great entertainment, as good as you can get in ESPORTS. Negatives - Player-cams showing that a game will be over soon, sometimes even spoil the result through player reactions. Retract the video to correct time, or get some soundproof booths. AKA "do what OGN does" - When the only commentator at IPL, Dan, was commentating, the casters just Q&A'd him so they don't say anything wrong. Don't do that, just do play-by-play and ask 78% less questions. Actually, casters need to go more in the play-by-play direction in general, some of their calls and "logic" should just stay at home. - downtime between games way too long, and they still didn't show all of them. I stayed up until 4am on saturday, still didn't see all the games, and regretted it severely on Sunday (Easter colliding with ESPORTS). Euro timezones suck i guess. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
+ Interviews (when focused on the game itself and not about "what do you think about how Riot is supporting esports") + Crowd Negatives: - Tournament on Easter - Having to shush the crowd (get booths perhaps) - Delay is unnecessary. It hurts the live experience (this may be more of a Riot issue to fix) Format: Neo asked for other ways to run the tournament. I think that besides fairness you always want to create a system where a team will play more than a single set over the course of the weekend. That makes the basic investment worth it for a team, it's sponsors, and it's fans. Besides double-elim, I think best format would have to be pool stages into a 2-4 team playoff. Each 4 man round-robin pool would produce 6 sets (12 total). If using a 4 man playoff it would produce 3 sets). That's a total of 15 sets of castable LoL. Interestingly that's exactly the maximum number of sets that are produced in the double-elimination bracket as well. Therefore there's the same amount of LoL to cast and it makes more "sense" to viewers what is going on because there's no weirdness in the finals. Also, a team is guaranteed to play no fewer than 3 sets at the tournament as opposed to the 2 that they are guaranteed now. Lastly, this is a format that is used widely in other LoL tournaments and other esports tournaments so it will be generally familiar to viewers. I think they should definitely look into pools instead of double-elim. | ||
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