EPTthe only advantage bw progamer have is they can train systematically 12hours a day
What if BW pro's switched to LoL? - Page 3
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
the only advantage bw progamer have is they can train systematically 12hours a day | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Thus, the greatest hurdle for BW players transitioning to LoL would not be their mechanics or strategy, but their ability to function as part of a team rather than as an individual combatant. Really, that's the greatest hurdle period. Most players will never be truly good at LoL not because they can't hit platinum or have trouble understanding the late game, but because the necessity of relying upon and meshing with your team is anathema to most players. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
They live together with coaches and staffs. They have a professional community behind them (teams,kespa, ogn etc...) They would obviously be top tier after a couple month and probably dominate foreigners after that. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
Dota was modded off an rts game, to those saying the skills don't transfer, i don't understand what you are talking about. LoL is like microing 1 unit in an rts. Some units in RTS games have activated abilities as well. Timing, positioning, learning what is efficient and applying it, stratting and counterstratting, these are all things BW pros are completely used to and are very good at. LoL would be a cakewalk as far as executing decisions is concerned for a BW pro. As some have mentioned the difference would come in it being a teambased game, but I think BW pros care enough about winning that they would have no problems in a team environment all with the common goal of winning. There wouldn't be too many clashes and blatant refusal to execute calls mid game or anything like that. One thing about esports is that a lot of people can watch top bw pros play, and realize they are doing something skillful, but they can't fully grasp just how skillful it is. It is hard to understand it unless you can perform at a pretty high level doing the same things yourself, so that you can truly relate to it. I can tell you now, last hitting, being efficient with ability usage, generally efficient decision making, executing good timing in team fights, capitalizing on enemy weaknesses immediately, these are all things that BW players have been doing for years and years at a professional level, on a level that the top LoL teams right now can't even begin to touch yet. The mechanical skills of bw transfer directly to mobas, mobas just require a lot less overall action. As for the teamwork, a lot of team-based fps skills transfer over to the 5v5 mobas in that regard. Learning rotation routes, listening to calls, executing coordinated strats as a team, all of this is stuff you have to do in competitive team fps. It sorta baffles me in LoL when you watch a "top" team and some of the team make a call, and the others are so slow to react on it, because they would rather kill 1 more wave of creeps or something. Then their team loses an objective cause of it. This is why I am curious to watch this xenics storm team, because if yellow is really their coach, in any real way aside from just marketing and PR... he is going to beat fundamentals into them. | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/X8OqU.png) Someone please photoshop BW pro's heads on here. If there is one crew i would send into space to save the world, it would be BW pros. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:26 tpmraven wrote: These threads are so full of WIN! the vampid BW fanbois are so amusing to read. Someone please photoshop BW pro's heads on here. Some of us are more fanbois of high skill-ceiling esports games... I find it disrespectful when people downplay what exactly BW pros are capable of. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Yes it will take them some time to adapt, but they will dominate in a few months at most. Think about the trademarks of successful BW pros: 1) practice habits, 2) decision making, 3) strategy & execution, and 4) mechanics. Successful BW pros are defined by much than than mechanics alone. If translated to LoL, decision making is simply solid play and understanding of the game, and strategy/execution comes from coaching and preparation. | ||
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Any top10 LoL team 6mo-1yr from now will completely destroy the competition today, simply because they will have routinely drilled fundamentals and decision making in order to stay competitive in a field with ever rising skill level. A BW pro entering LoL today will be like a new BW B-teamer - practice mechanics 24/7 but have little to no understanding of actual strategy. But LoL is such a young game that entering today doesn't put you at a huge disadvantage; maybe 2-3mo at most with progamer practice hours and habits. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:05 Sandster wrote: One more thing - even the best LoL teams are extremely *bad* relative to the game's skill cap. It can be compared to BW ~2002-03. You see pros making tons of mistakes - lack of preparation and strategy in picks/bans, misplaying matchups in lane, not responding to calls (or making clearly bad calls), questionable item builds, etc etc. Any top10 LoL team 6mo-1yr from now will completely destroy the competition today, simply because they will have routinely drilled fundamentals and decision making in order to stay competitive in a field with ever rising skill level. A BW pro entering LoL today will be like a new BW B-teamer - practice mechanics 24/7 but have little to no understanding of actual strategy. But LoL is such a young game that entering today doesn't put you at a huge disadvantage; maybe 2-3mo at most with progamer practice hours and habits. Sometimes entering a game further along in its evolution is better than entering it early on, you can think outside of the box easier, sometimes the original competitors in a game get too stuck in their ways and can't keep up with the constant change. (Can't teach an old dog new tricks and such) I remember a year ago, when everyone was all over CLG, I was talking about how poor their mechanics were, and how flawed some of their players were in how they played, and a lot of fanbois would argue "but they win tourneys, you can't push a game further to its limits than the team that is winning tourneys", then I went and played solo queue, and saw tons of players with better mechanics, more creativity and innovation, but they didn't care about playing a game for money. I think the way koreans approach games is with a very perfectionist mindset... They pay attention to who wins and loses, but beyond that they are constantly evaluating what they see from an objective view. They don't assume the winner did everything right, and they don't assume the loser did everything wrong. Following the BW scene for so long it was so easy to tell a year or two ago, just how far the pro teams still needed to come. Then you had a team like m5 come along, with the proper work ethic, the proper individual skill, and the proper teamwork, and then you had teams start to up their game after playing m5, and now everyone is improving and getting much cleaner, and teams with weak individual players are getting exploited and defeated because of those players. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
The problem right now is not many players in Korea have the experience to properly coach, but in a few months that will change. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On March 30 2012 18:16 Shikyo wrote: I don't think that the skillsets are perfectly comparable... They might have 300-400 APM but they couldn't utilize most of it. They could get every single lasthit but people get close to that anyway. Only a handful of the top BW players are actually strategic masterminds, many of the midtier and even semi-top tier pros are mostly mechanical and the strategy is very basic and nothing special. This basically means that, in my opinion, if they were to switch and dominate it would mainly be because of their work ethic and knowledge on how to improve. (Not talking about Flash/JD and co. who are geniuses) I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. At the professional level, BW pros all have good mechanics. If the game were based solely off mechanics, then you wouldn't see fairly low APM players rise to the top of the heap. BW pros only get to be well known if they bring something new to the table. Take savior for instance. His style of zvt was unprecedented and his APM was the lowest of any progamer there was. BW players have to be strategic in order to be good because at that level, everyone has decent mechanics. It's the strategy that makes the difference in the game. | ||
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