"however looking at the competitive season in 2012 I needed to ensure I as a team had like minded, level headed personalities which were at the top of their game" ==> No serious practise since Kings of Europe, zzz

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

March 26 2012 19:04 GMT

#1662

Something I've noticed recently is when top laners have the opportunity to take the enemy outer tower, they usually go past the tower to kill the next wave instead of hitting the tower themselves. Assuming they are actually trying to take the tower, which should almost always be the case, I can't think of any advantage this does compared to hitting the tower normally and lasthitting when the creeps meet. It doesn't seem to make the enemy laner lose more xp nor does it make the tower fall faster. It does make you easier to gank.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

March 26 2012 19:06 GMT

#1663

On March 27 2012 04:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Something I've noticed recently is when top laners have the opportunity to take the enemy outer tower, they usually go past the tower to kill the next wave instead of hitting the tower themselves. Assuming they are actually trying to take the tower, which should almost always be the case, I can't think of any advantage this does compared to hitting the tower normally and lasthitting when the creeps meet. It doesn't seem to make the enemy laner lose more xp nor does it make the tower fall faster. It does make you easier to gank.

I'm pretty sure this is because it keeps the next wave pushing into the tower, and it's also to keep the minions attacking the tower instead of the other minions. In my experience, if someone is winning lane, they don't rush to kill the tower, and this happens to be one way to do it. Personally, I don't do it because I tend to always get caught and die, but if it's working for more experienced players I don't see a big problem.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 26 2012 19:07 GMT

#1664

you do it to get your next wave on the tower to deny opposing top xp. it's a good idea sometimes and really stupid other times. you don't do it to push the tower down though.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

March 26 2012 19:09 GMT

#1665

Your logic makes no sense zulu. You noticed that it's easier to gank you there, but you say theres no reason not to take the tower? If you take the tower you can't keep farming and you have to go down to the next tower which as you said is really easy to gank.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

March 26 2012 19:10 GMT

#1666

On March 27 2012 03:48 shrinkmaster wrote:

Show nested quote +

someone posted this on quakenet:
https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=hfkki4g21l8t7lojuhjps6abmk@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/London

don't know how complete this is, but amazing work nonetheless.

Yeah, I link and use that calendar for the Pro Scene thread. I just have to hunt down the results as well.
The calendar is an amazing tool.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

March 26 2012 19:11 GMT

#1667

On March 27 2012 03:51 Alaric wrote:
Holy cow, with lifesteal+Irelia nerf, she got hit hard. x_o

Maybe it's because I play with bad players all the time (as I'm in a relatively low ELO), but I'm not feeling the nerf that hard. I just take defensive tree and open wriggles more often to compensate. I think it's just forcing me to play a little smarter and play a bit more defensively because I can't life steal it back as easy.

Trade wise, it still does the same damage, so I can trade just fine if I keep my health from dropping too low.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 26 2012 19:12 GMT

#1668

Irelia's never going to be bad as long as she has 75 true damage/attack. It was a big hit though. Pretty stupid that they haven't been looking at Lee and Udyr top IMHO, I think those 2 are the most problematic top laners ATM.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

March 26 2012 19:13 GMT

#1669

Lee Sin top is so funny.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

March 26 2012 19:14 GMT

#1670

On March 27 2012 04:12 Mogwai wrote:
Irelia's never going to be bad as long as she has 75 true damage/attack. It was a big hit though. Pretty stupid that they haven't been looking at Lee and Udyr top IMHO, I think those 2 are the most problematic top laners ATM.

Surprised no Yorick here. huehue

It's amusing that even Wickd's given up on Irelia for Renek. What says you, Smash? :O haha

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

March 26 2012 19:15 GMT

#1671

Renekton is awful. Good laner but that's all he has going for him.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 26 2012 19:16 GMT

#1672

Until I see Yorick winning high profile tourney games, I'm going to continue to refuse to believe that he's OP. He's annoying as fuck, but pros don't pick him for a reason.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

March 26 2012 19:18 GMT

#1673

On March 27 2012 04:07 Mogwai wrote:
you do it to get your next wave on the tower to deny opposing top xp. it's a good idea sometimes and really stupid other times. you don't do it to push the tower down though.

But doesn't having the creeps meet kill your own creeps faster since there's more damage being dealt to your creeps? Also if you're really trying to save the tower, wouldn't letting the creeps meet and only last hitting under their tower be the best option?

On March 27 2012 04:09 Slayer91 wrote:
Your logic makes no sense zulu. You noticed that it's easier to gank you there, but you say theres no reason not to take the tower? If you take the tower you can't keep farming and you have to go down to the next tower which as you said is really easy to gank.

I was just talking about while taking the tower, going past it makes you easier to gank compared to hitting it normally. I agree that pushing down the outer tower screws up the creep line which makes you easier to gank in the future.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

March 26 2012 19:21 GMT

#1674

Strongest blind pick top is Nid imo..

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

March 26 2012 19:23 GMT

#1675

Not really, nid is generally useless without a comp build around her. Also they can nerf udyrs turtle stance sustain all they want, it will have no impact on jungle udyr.

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

March 26 2012 19:24 GMT

#1676

Lee Sin and Vlad are the best blind/first pick tops I can think of. Pretty hard to counter and can fit into almost any team comp, Lee Sin moreso (Vlad top probably requires a tankier jungle and/or mid).

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

March 26 2012 19:25 GMT

#1677

On March 27 2012 04:23 Slayer91 wrote:
Not really, nid is generally useless without a comp build around her. Also they can nerf udyrs turtle stance sustain all they want, it will have no impact on jungle udyr.

Reduce leech, keep shield the same? :O

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 26 2012 19:27 GMT

#1678

na, udyr. udyr crushes practically everyone top and if we're talking about picking early in a draft, he's also a mindfuck cause you're not sure if he's jangling or topping. I'd also say that Galio top is ridiculously safe but a lot of people disagree with me on that. Not sure why, seems like he draws at worst vs. everyone and his teamfight utility is always great.