EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 281
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Ryuu314
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dooraven
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Roffles
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MooMooMugi
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On April 13 2012 11:53 Roffles wrote: PD Mundo #1 What about your super sekret triple philosopher stone build? hehehe | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On April 13 2012 11:52 Ryuu314 wrote: I just don't get the point of bruiser Fizz. You can't kill shit and you aren't that tanky regardless -.-; Tbh Voyboy did fine with that build, it was really Qtpie and Dominate who underplayed that game | ||
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Ryuu314
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On April 13 2012 11:56 MooMooMugi wrote: Tbh Voyboy did fine with that build, it was really Qtpie and Dominate who underplayed that game Well I didn't watch most of the game so I could be completely wrong, but from what it seemed like Dominate had to camp his lane to help him get a lead. Then what of the game I did watch, it seemed that Voyboy had no problem getting to and sticking to CLG's backline, he just had a problem actually killing anything. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On April 13 2012 11:58 Ryuu314 wrote: Well I didn't watch most of the game so I could be completely wrong, but from what it seemed like Dominate had to camp his lane to help him get a lead. Then what of the game I did watch, it seemed that Voyboy had no problem getting to and sticking to CLG's backline, he just had a problem actually killing anything. He did quite a lot of DPS to Jiji and HSGG for example but could never finish because they both had Zhonyas Hourglass that made them invincible at the most clutch moments | ||
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GreenManalishi
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CLG just won a big teamfight or something? | ||
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Ryuu314
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On April 13 2012 12:01 MooMooMugi wrote: He did quite a lot of DPS to Jiji and HSGG for example but could never finish because they both had Zhonyas Hourglass that made them invincible at the most clutch moments He also couldn't do crap to Graves. Like Fizz's kit is just so damn good at blowing stuff up. I get why you would want to go bruiser Fizz; your ulti for disruption and you rely on your W for damage. But honestly, going bruiser Fizz just completely neglects your insane ratios on all your spells it's kinda pointless. | ||
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MooMooMugi
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On April 13 2012 12:01 GreenManalishi wrote: Wait, CLG won? I turned off the stream and went to make dinner when they lost 2 for nothing mid and SV was pushing bot. When the Caps lost and HSGG + Doublelift died I just rage quit all my streams. CLG just won a big teamfight or something? They mostly won because of a few things 1. They sent SV to split push bot lane and take all that cs there for a big period of time (+100 cs over Nocturne at one point) 2. Good team fight #1, CLG fought when scarra's ultimate was down, great kiting by doublelift and CLG gets 5 for 4. Bonus clutch zhonyas by Jiji to survive Karthus who ulted right when he respawned. 3. Good team fight #2, Nocturne tried to all in Doublelift, Dignitas made the mistake of funneling into the entrance of CLG's red side jungle, PERFECT Sona ult, followed by Grave ult and Swain ult. Ace and baron 3. Good team fight #3, with baron they push inner mid turret, do some diving, Dignitas doesnt have quite enough damage and SV just soaks everything up. HSGG has Zhonyas at this point as well,him and Jiji just trollolol Voyboy all day GG | ||
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Slusher
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Buckshot is very good vs Melee Kass can Silence you if you come in with Q, and if you come in with E well, you better kill him or you aren't getting away Swain again very good vs melee and as mentioned earlier both ap had Zhonya's Fed Fizz vs. that team is not nearly as good if say Karthus had been the one with the huge lead. On April 13 2012 11:58 Ryuu314 wrote:Well I didn't watch most of the game so I could be completely wrong, but from what it seemed like Dominate had to camp his lane to help him get a lead. technically we don't know that he 'had' to, it was just their stratagy, he came level 2 and literally stayed int he bush till it was 41-12 or something stupid in cs. Swain has very strong lane vs. Fizz he can basically zone you out completely with nevermove, it's far too mana efficent compared to Trickster to do anything about it. | ||
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Slow Motion
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MooMooMugi
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On April 13 2012 12:05 Ryuu314 wrote: He also couldn't do crap to Graves. Like Fizz's kit is just so damn good at blowing stuff up. I get why you would want to go bruiser Fizz; your ulti for disruption and you rely on your W for damage. But honestly, going bruiser Fizz just completely neglects your insane ratios on all your spells it's kinda pointless. Well if you ever tried that exact build on Fizz you would notice your damage is comparable or even higher than a full AP fizz over the course of a game. AP Fizz does "blow" up ranged carries in one combo, but you heavily rely on your shark landing but with Trinity Fizz you can spam W Q and autoattacks to bring them down instead | ||
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miicah
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On April 13 2012 12:10 Slow Motion wrote: Are the games for today already over? I just tried the NESL stream and it seems to be off. Yeah all over mate. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 13 2012 12:16 MooMooMugi wrote: Well if you ever tried that exact build on Fizz you would notice your damage is comparable or even higher than a full AP fizz over the course of a game. AP Fizz does "blow" up ranged carries in one combo, but you heavily rely on your shark landing but with Trinity Fizz you can spam W Q and autoattacks to bring them down instead I've tried both versions of Fizz and I always feel better about going AP. Bruiser Fizz definitely does less damage than AP Fizz. I know solo q isn't the best measure when talking about pro games, but I win most of my AP Fizz games and lose most of my bruiser Fizz games. When Fizz came out I played a ton of nonstop Fizz trying him in top, mid, jungle going all sorts of builds. I tended to do much better as AP than as bruiser. Like...the vast majority of my losses with Fizz are me going bruiser Fizz. Might be a playstyle thing tho so iunno. AP Fizz doesn't rely entirely on his shark to do damage. It's definitely a big portion of your burst, but your Q+W spam does a crapton of damage too, especially since your ratios on both Q and W are quite significant. The biggest weakness of AP Fizz is that you have to be really good and smart at going into a fight and knowing when/how to get out. I generally go for Dcap Lichbane then some tanky items like GA Abyssal. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I prefer AP Fizz also, but I'd rather point to how Dominate made himself incredibly weak getting Fizz a lead vs a team that basically counters him. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 13 2012 12:16 MooMooMugi wrote: Well if you ever tried that exact build on Fizz you would notice your damage is comparable or even higher than a full AP fizz over the course of a game. AP Fizz does "blow" up ranged carries in one combo, but you heavily rely on your shark landing but with Trinity Fizz you can spam W Q and autoattacks to bring them down instead No way, AP (cap/lich) fizz does wayyyyyy more damage than any bruiser build. I dont think anyone debates that. Maybe if they just sat there and let you auto them for like 15 seconds, but thats not gonna happen. | ||
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MooMooMugi
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On April 13 2012 12:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I've tried both versions of Fizz and I always feel better about going AP. Bruiser Fizz definitely does less damage than AP Fizz. I know solo q isn't the best measure when talking about pro games, but I win most of my AP Fizz games and lose most of my bruiser Fizz games. When Fizz came out I played a ton of nonstop Fizz trying him in top, mid, jungle going all sorts of builds. I tended to do much better as AP than as bruiser. Like...the vast majority of my losses with Fizz are me going bruiser Fizz. Might be a playstyle thing tho so iunno. AP Fizz doesn't rely entirely on his shark to do damage. It's definitely a big portion of your burst, but your Q+W spam does a crapton of damage too, especially since your ratios on both Q and W are quite significant. The biggest weakness of AP Fizz is that you have to be really good and smart at going into a fight and knowing when/how to get out. I generally go for Dcap Lichbane then some tanky items like GA Abyssal. I also tested a lot of Fizz when he came out and experimented with a lot of different builds/roles/etc. For Voyboy's case he prefers lane dominant champs and I kinda agree, AD Fizz does lane a bit better than AP because the opponent cant just stack MR to counter you because your damage is kinda hybrid, AA hitting like a truck and AP DoT~ | ||
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wintergt
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Inschato
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