EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 150
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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pschiu
Singapore410 Posts
On April 02 2012 02:30 JackDino wrote: This applies to males just as much, I mean, you seen GP's pubic hair? Or heimers head, how does he not fall over because gravity you know. Hey hey, yordles don't count. I'm just saying, the champs that are supposed to be human don't even look human. But yeah I agree this isn't a problem only exclusive to females.  On April 02 2012 02:34 sob3k wrote: The entire art style of the game is stylized caricatures.... I don't buy this explanation. If those are supposed to be "stylized caricatures", they still look awful for caricatures. Neither here nor there. But well, be that as it may, I'm playing a free game, so whatever, I'll just play it for the gameplay. I'm just saying, I personally wouldn't pay money to buy skins many of which have what I deem as really awful art and modelling. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:02 wei2coolman wrote: only auto attack for last hit... depending on your champion, it might not necessarily be a bad thing to push top, if you have everything correctly warded. I only use my basic attack to last hit -- never really use auto attack for anything but that or harassing them out of lane. Always feels like their creeps get dumped on by mine though :S | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:06 pschiu wrote: Hey hey, yordles don't count. I'm just saying, the champs that are supposed to be human don't even look human. But yeah I agree this isn't a problem only exclusive to females. I don't buy this explanation. If those are supposed to be "stylized caricatures", they still look awful for caricatures. Neither here nor there. But well, be that as it may, I'm playing a free game, so whatever, I'll just play it for the gameplay. I'm just saying, I personally wouldn't pay money to buy skins many of which have what I deem as really awful art and modelling. If you looked closely at the old GP skin, it was actually his pants that was sticking above his belt, not his pubichair. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:09 wei2coolman wrote: If you looked closely at the old GP skin, it was actually his pants that was sticking above his belt, not his pubichair. No it was his pubic hair that was connected with his chest hair or some shit. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111127055310/leagueoflegends/images/c/cc/Gangplank_OriginalSkin_old.jpg) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:24 JackDino wrote: No it was his pubic hair that was connected with his chest hair or some shit. + Show Spoiler + Nah dude, that's his pants. | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
The muscular dudes in lol is pretty much embodiments of male physical virtues. I think its fair to say that most men would be pretty happy being buff or whatnot. The exaggeration is pretty much just an extension of the dominant male thought patterns. To wrap up the argument, its not just a question of mf have big boobs. Its the fact the majority of the female characters are designed in a way to specifically to appease to the male audience. Sure sex sells, but that dosen't make it any less sexist. To rant on a little bit more, I think the gaming community have a "LONG" way to go to fix the sexist thing. Like the amount of hate I seen toward female only-league in the starcraft-2 section was baffling. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:31 AUGcodon wrote: Arguing that male characters are sexist to the same extent that female characters are is a pretty disingenuous argument. Like all the female characters are all caricatures from a male prospective. I don't really see how "all" woman would wish they could just have a big rack or ass. It basically means that how women see themselves as pretty in real life is pretty different from how males look at women. The muscular dudes in lol is pretty much embodiments of male physical virtues. I think its fair to say that most men would be pretty happy being buff or whatnot. The exaggeration is pretty much just an extension of the dominant male thought patterns. To wrap up the argument, its not just a question of mf have big boobs. Its the fact the majority of the female characters are designed in a way to specifically to appease to the male audience. Sure sex sells, but that dosen't make it any less sexist. You're basically saying. "I don't think all women want to look what every male thinks is sexy but all males want to be arnold style physically buff" Pretty subjective there. I mean, the musuclar dudes in LoL have the type of body you need steriods to get almost, and it's realistic to the extent that real fighters wouldn't be that big because they'd be too slow, so that argument is pretty dumb as well. Male champs in this game are just as much caricatures, in fact, they're SUPPOSED to be caricatures. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:31 AUGcodon wrote: Arguing that male characters are sexist to the same extent that female characters are is a pretty disingenuous argument. Like all the female characters are all caricatures from a male prospective. I don't really see how "all" woman would wish they could just have a big rack or ass. It basically means that how women see themselves as pretty in real life is pretty different from how males look at women. The muscular dudes in lol is pretty much embodiments of male physical virtues. I think its fair to say that most men would be pretty happy being buff or whatnot. The exaggeration is pretty much just an extension of the dominant male thought patterns. To wrap up the argument, its not just a question of mf have big boobs. Its the fact the majority of the female characters are designed in a way to specifically to appease to the male audience. Sure sex sells, but that dosen't make it any less sexist. You're right I'm sure most females would rather look like gragas than MF. "Lets design average/shitty looking females so males won't whine about sexism in our game." | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:07 Mondeezy wrote: I only use my basic attack to last hit -- never really use auto attack for anything but that or harassing them out of lane. Always feels like their creeps get dumped on by mine though :S If your lane is always pushing, then it's due to: auto attacking too much, last hitting too early (includes using spells on minions), taking minion aggro while harassing (using auto attacks on opponents draws minion aggro, which means their creeps are damaging you, instead of killing your creeps, which leads to your lane pushing). Once the lane begins pushing, it could be that your opponent is 'freezing' the lane closer to their turret. Best suggestion would be to look for an explanation on lane control. I think sites like solomid or lolpro have general guides on this kind of stuff? Maybe we have one here, I dunno. | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
Ideal Male: Pinnacle of masculenity, awesome. Ideal Female: This is sexist. Also, please note that male/female ideal sexualization can vary greatly within personal preference. Some girls will love Anime, some will want body builders. Just saying, even female charecters that are considered strong, good role models (ALA Jade, Beyond good and Evil) they can still fit the above trap. Sexism pervaded most every culture, and decrying it has been ugly and difficult, and at times, seemingly random what fits sexism and what doesn't. They had to nerf Irelia finally. | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:07 Mondeezy wrote: I only use my basic attack to last hit -- never really use auto attack for anything but that or harassing them out of lane. Always feels like their creeps get dumped on by mine though :S If you're actually doing nothing but autoattacking once for last hits, the problem is likely that you're last hitting too early. Ideal time to last hit is when there are caster minion bolts in the air that will do enough damage to kill the minion without your help. Obviously that won't always be possible but that's the ideal case. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:24 JackDino wrote: No it was his pubic hair that was connected with his chest hair or some shit. + Show Spoiler + It is actually one of swain's crows | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
AND MOTHAFUCKIN KAYLE | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:33 Slayer91 wrote: You're basically saying. "I don't think all women want to look what every male thinks is sexy but all males want to be arnold style physically buff" Pretty subjective there. I mean, the musuclar dudes in LoL have the type of body you need steriods to get almost, and it's realistic to the extent that real fighters wouldn't be that big because they'd be too slow, so that argument is pretty dumb as well. Male champs in this game are just as much caricatures, in fact, they're SUPPOSED to be caricatures. You right that it is subjective. But its kinda hard to be objective with this thing. But as a general statement, would you agree that most of the male population would like to be muscular? not to the extent LOL does it, but lets say Brad Pitt in fight club. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_91h_OwUG-QU/S6zsGeUKuAI/AAAAAAAAAOI/dcMxCue-J8k/s1600/fight-club-brad-pit-tyler.jpg) The point I was trying to make was that the maleness is exaggerated in lol characters, but the fundamental idea, the core masculinity is still very much there. I kinda don't want to speak for the female side cause Im a dude. Pretty sure any argument on their behalf is probably gonna just do them a disservice. I guess we can wait for Haem or uni to drop us a line.(Is there even any other girls who post on lol forum? | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:36 Dgiese wrote: If your lane is always pushing, then it's due to: auto attacking too much, last hitting too early (includes using spells on minions), taking minion aggro while harassing (using auto attacks on opponents draws minion aggro, which means their creeps are damaging you, instead of killing your creeps, which leads to your lane pushing). Once the lane begins pushing, it could be that your opponent is 'freezing' the lane closer to their turret. Best suggestion would be to look for an explanation on lane control. I think sites like solomid or lolpro have general guides on this kind of stuff? Maybe we have one here, I dunno. I think that could very well be it.. thanks! Edit: Thanks Shifft! | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:50 barbsq wrote: people that have a problem with hyper-sexualized women in league somehow conveniently forget the existence of fiora, karma, leona, lux, orianna, riven and vayne (sans valentine skin). People who write these posts clearly forget kayle D:< | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 02 2012 03:56 obesechicken13 wrote: People who write these posts clearly forget kayle D:< What? Kayle not a man? No boobs, full body armour, clearly not a female. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
Generally, I see two different methods when people take the lead. (1) Zone your opponent while staying in your lane most of the time. (2) Constantly push the wave to your opponent's tower to either keep pressure in your lane (ie hotshot ) or roam (ie voyboy), but their top lane opponents are able to catch up. I should also note that neither of the top laners has teleport. I guess it mainly depends on whether you're playing arranged or solo q, but I realized that I'm more of a (1) aka conservative player regardless whether I'm playing solo q or not. I like to think that if the rest of the lanes are doing fine or even mediocre against their respective lanes, (1) seems to be the better choice in my opinion. Because I'm able to deny their top cs by freezing the wave pushed to my tower (best example is probably pantheon because he can zone easily as well as get to dragon in time), it makes their top relatively useless in team fights. But I noticed that most high elo solo q players take the (2) approach regardless whether their team's lanes are doing well or not. This brings to my question: Why do they do this? Doesn't it allow your opponent catch up in cs. And if you were hotshot and pushed all day, you'd be vulnerable to ganks unless you're nidalee or the like. If you were Voyboy and start roaming, a simple mia call would make your roams a waste of time. | ||
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