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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
April 01 2012 19:50 GMT
#3021
On April 02 2012 03:59 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 03:56 obesechicken13 wrote:
On April 02 2012 03:50 barbsq wrote:
people that have a problem with hyper-sexualized women in league somehow conveniently forget the existence of fiora, karma, leona, lux, orianna, riven and vayne (sans valentine skin).

People who write these posts clearly forget kayle D:<


aw fuck, i feel like an idiot

and her 'unmasked' skin is th most expensive one. It's sending a message that partially stripping a girl cost more than changing her dress.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
April 01 2012 19:51 GMT
#3022
On April 02 2012 04:48 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:13 BlackMagister wrote:
4Not vs CLG NA finally starting
http://www.own3d.tv/live/249584/ggChronicle

is it just me or is the stream choppy?

It's choppy for me too, i had to lower quality to 360p :/
Romanes eunt domus
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 01 2012 19:54 GMT
#3023
aAa vs CLG.eu is choppy too. And aAa far too greedy lose 3 more people for only one. Meh.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 01 2012 19:58 GMT
#3024
It's not choppy for me and I'm on HD. Also who is casting ggChronicle? I would think it was Dan Dinh if it wasn't for Dan being in the game.
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
April 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#3025
--- Nuked ---
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17295 Posts
April 01 2012 20:08 GMT
#3026
God SV played those teamfights horrendously. So many really awful initiates where the team couldn't follow up.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 01 2012 20:11 GMT
#3027
aAa actually managed to take a baron! I guess they only had success because they weren't ahead tho.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 01 2012 20:11 GMT
#3028
On April 02 2012 05:08 Craton wrote:
God SV played those teamfights horrendously. So many really awful initiates where the team couldn't follow up.

Nah shyvanna just died too fast because women simply aren't tanky>.>
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 01 2012 20:13 GMT
#3029
On April 02 2012 05:03 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:37 turdburgler wrote:
dnastyx is a girl?

wait wat?

And I never realized karma was... sexy?


Karmas hot wtf with the hate?!
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 01 2012 20:25 GMT
#3030
Oh god, CLG running poke comp with jiji on AP Kog. Here's to hoping he learned how to play AP Kog since moving to Korea.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
April 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3031
Ap Kog with 150-200 ping will be interesting.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3032
On April 02 2012 05:25 overt wrote:
Oh god, CLG running poke comp with jiji on AP Kog. Here's to hoping he learned how to play AP Kog since moving to Korea.


I thought jiji was always good on ap kog O_o
can i get my estro logo back pls
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:29:41
April 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#3033
On April 02 2012 04:06 overt wrote:
Yes, there are lots of female characters who are made to look sexy. But there are plenty who aren't such as Lux or Ashe or Leona. At the same time there are tons of male characters in this game designed to look sexy. To bring up other games is pretty pointless because this is the LoL sub-forums but to humor you I don't think it's wrong for game devs to have overly buff males nor do I think it's wrong for them to have women with huge breasts. These aren't sexist nor are they portraying an image of beauty that "real people just can't achieve." They are devices that developer's use to portray a character as physically attractive and it's a lot easier than making you find their personality attractive, especially in a game that has no real story like LoL or that's incredibly short such as a fighting game.


While some of what you say is true, Riot artists themselves have stated that the design space for men is a lot more flexible than the design space for women. Even for the non-sexy female characters Riot does everything they can to emphasize how womanly they are, especially for later champions (boob breastplate, high heels). To some extent it's simply more acceptable to have male Gragas than female Gragas. Riot has admitted as much.

Since woman characters need to look more "womanly", that basically means they need to look more like the ideal woman than the men need to look like ideal men, as a result greater visual demands are placed on the women. While it's arguable that there's parity in gender expectations it isn't necessarily visual parity and video games are a visual medium.

It's also pretty easy to point to plenty of movements on the forums pretty much bent on making characters more "womanly": teen Annie, bunny Riven, human Anivia, non-helmeted Kayle, and catgirl EZ are the most popular that I can currently remember. Even without forum help several of Riot's own skins ideas are basically sex symbols: Jessica Rabbit MF, Officer Caitlyn, and Vayne steadily lost clothing with Dragonslayer and then Valentine's Day. While there has been the occasional thread for more man-candy the idea simply hasn't been popular, and Riot has never released a "Schwarzenegger" Gragas or Ezreal skin of their own accord or appear to do much to make their ideal men more sexy. The few skins that do show a lot of muscular man flesh are relatively few and far between and none have been connected with forum demands like bunny Riven or helmetless Kayle.

I don't really think Ashe belongs in a group with Lux and Leona. Have you actually looked at non-queen Ashe lately? She's like Kat: tiny pants, bra strap, big boots. Queen Ashe itself, I'm pretty sure, is the only female skin in the game (out of a hundred) which increases the character's "modesty". Besides, there's been requests for sexy Leona too (though not nearly as
popular as the other threads I mentioned).

Honestly I'm not that mad at Riot for it in particular. I'm dissatisfied with culture as a whole. But that, as you said, is beyond the scope of this thread.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
April 01 2012 20:27 GMT
#3034
On April 02 2012 05:26 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:25 overt wrote:
Oh god, CLG running poke comp with jiji on AP Kog. Here's to hoping he learned how to play AP Kog since moving to Korea.


I thought jiji was always good on ap kog O_o

Only really good ap kog I saw is salce.
Cackle™
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 01 2012 20:27 GMT
#3035
On April 02 2012 05:25 overt wrote:
Oh god, CLG running poke comp with jiji on AP Kog. Here's to hoping he learned how to play AP Kog since moving to Korea.

If you saw CLG v Epik yesterday, Jiji can definitely play AP Koggles. ^^
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:35:46
April 01 2012 20:29 GMT
#3036
On April 02 2012 03:50 barbsq wrote:
people that have a problem with hyper-sexualized women in league somehow conveniently forget the existence of fiora, karma, leona, lux, orianna, riven and vayne (sans valentine skin).

AND MOTHAFUCKIN KAYLE

I don't know how Leona always makes this list when in going from her concept art to the final splash art they turned what looked like a sensible set of plate armor into what looks like a skintight bodysuit with a metal skirt.

You can only sexualize a character who's supposed to be a knight in heavy armor so much, but as far as doing that, Riot pretty much went to their limits on Leona's design.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 01 2012 20:32 GMT
#3037
On April 02 2012 05:26 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:06 overt wrote:
Yes, there are lots of female characters who are made to look sexy. But there are plenty who aren't such as Lux or Ashe or Leona. At the same time there are tons of male characters in this game designed to look sexy. To bring up other games is pretty pointless because this is the LoL sub-forums but to humor you I don't think it's wrong for game devs to have overly buff males nor do I think it's wrong for them to have women with huge breasts. These aren't sexist nor are they portraying an image of beauty that "real people just can't achieve." They are devices that developer's use to portray a character as physically attractive and it's a lot easier than making you find their personality attractive, especially in a game that has no real story like LoL or that's incredibly short such as a fighting game.


While some of what you say is true, Riot artists themselves have stated that the design space for men is a lot more flexible than the design space for women. Even for the non-sexy female characters Riot does everything they can to emphasize how womanly they are, especially for later champions (boob breastplate, high heels). To some extent it's simply more acceptable to have male Gragas than female Gragas. Riot has admitted as much.

Since woman characters need to look more "womanly", that basically means they need to look more like the ideal woman than the men need to look like ideal men, as a result greater visual demands are placed on the women. While it's arguable that there's parity in gender expectations it isn't necessarily visual parity and video games are a visual medium.

It's also pretty easy to point to plenty of movements on the forums pretty much bent on making characters more "womanly": teen Annie, bunny Riven, human Anivia, non-helmeted Kayle, and catgirl EZ are the most popular that I can currently remember. Even without forum help several of Riot's own skins ideas are basically sex symbols: Jessica Rabbit MF, Officer Caitlyn, and Vayne steadily lost clothing with Dragonslayer and then Valentine's Day. While there has been the occasional thread for more man-candy the idea simply hasn't been popular, and Riot has never released a "Schwarzenegger" Gragas or Ezreal skin of their own accord or appear to do much to make their ideal men more sexy. The few skins that do show a lot of muscular man flesh are relatively few and far between and none have been connected with forum demands like bunny Riven or helmetless Kayle.

I don't really think Ashe belongs in a group with Lux and Leona. Have you actually looked at non-queen Ashe lately? She's like Kat: tiny pants, bra strap, big boots. Queen Ashe itself, I'm pretty sure, is the only female skin in the game (out of a hundred) which increases the character's "modesty". Besides, there's been requests for sexy Leona too (though not nearly as
popular as the other threads I mentioned).

Honestly I'm not that mad at Riot for it in particular. I'm dissatisfied with culture as a whole. But that, as you said, is beyond the scope of this thread.


uh, maybe that has something to do with the fact that probably 95% of the active playerbase is male
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:38:01
April 01 2012 20:37 GMT
#3038
Exactly, when it comes to skins, its business, you have a target market. You don't see anyone complaining that the female lead in twilight (and im getting this from internet pics xD) has 0 acting skills and is pretty unattractive, because 95% of the audience is like teenage female who prefer to see some dude with their shirt off, and the 5% that are males only watch it to say how bad it is.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:48:17
April 01 2012 20:44 GMT
#3039
People are arguing two different points with the models. One is that LoL is not sexist citing the women champs that do not have huge breasts the other is that LoL is mostly men so of course the skins would be directed toward men. I would go with the later agreeing with sob3k. Having a few modest women champs does not change that the LoL champs have been directed toward men.

A female Gragas or muscular women would never be accepted, Riot certainly is limited in their champ designs.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:46:51
April 01 2012 20:46 GMT
#3040
The base designs are the skins are pretty different. Skins are pure business IMO.

Are underwear sellers objectifying women because they hire supermodels to model for them? Lol.
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