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On March 28 2012 19:24 ihasaKAROT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 18:59 JackDino wrote:
Why no one playing cait anymore, still such a strong lane with a taric/leona or even a nunu/janna. Especially leona. Cait doenst bring much to the table in early / midgame teamskirmishes other then her autoattack. Cant really get bruisers of yourself, you need lategame to dominate.
I don't agree with any of this. Caitlyn will/should be ahead of the enemy carry in farm during midgame skirmishes, and most other carries won't have hit their sweet spots yet. Right around the time Caitlyn finishes IE she's a huge force because nobody has much armor yet and her range is still #1 at that point.
She's also one of the most independent AD carries, it's really really hard to stick to a Caitlyn that pre-laid her traps (for Dragon fights for example, if you're purple you lay 2 traps by the ramp to golem and it creates a wall that you can sit behind safely.
Caitlyn is weakest lategame when the other carry has caught up in farm and when their vastly superior steroids begin to shine through.
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On March 28 2012 21:01 pschiu wrote:
I got a friend to watch the current OGN match with me. He asked if there was a difference between which skins were being chosen.
That got me thinking, what if Riot indeed made each skin different (more than cosmetically)? Like give one skin +5 AP, another +1% ms, etc. Would the sales of skins increase? Decrease? Would people protest? Does Riot have any official stance on this matter?
The entire principle of competitive free-to-play is that money can never buy power. Riot Marketing is very very clear on this matter.
Source: Every single Rioter I have ever spoken to.
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On March 28 2012 21:01 pschiu wrote:
I got a friend to watch the current OGN match with me. He asked if there was a difference between which skins were being chosen.
That got me thinking, what if Riot indeed made each skin different (more than cosmetically)? Like give one skin +5 AP, another +1% ms, etc. Would the sales of skins increase? Decrease? Would people protest? Does Riot have any official stance on this matter?
one of the many selling points of lol is that riot stated multiple times that they won't start selling power and skins are the only items except boosts you can only get from investing real money.
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On March 28 2012 17:51 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 17:23 JackDino wrote:On March 28 2012 17:12 gtrsrs wrote:On March 28 2012 17:08 JackDino wrote:On March 28 2012 16:59 gtrsrs wrote:On March 28 2012 15:14 Sandster wrote:On March 28 2012 15:12 BlackMagister wrote:
The point still was the guy wants the most universal rune page possible. Flat MR is match up specific while all lanes will benefit from mr per level because they will need mr in team fights. That makes no sense. He wants the most universal rune page possible, and flat MR lets you survive every lane and situation at the cost of some MR later in the game. no, the majority of damage done in ALL lanes in the early-game is physical, regardless of the matchup. more auto attack damage is traded that magic damage. if you have a very specific need for MR (i.e. against cass or ryze), then flat MR is very good, but against 85% of lanes, mr/level is definitely more universal. i can't even think of 10 champs i'd want flat MR against tbh There are some matchups you need flat mr or flat mr is really good against, there's not a single matchup mr/lvl is required for. How does that make mr/lvl more universal. Flat MR ALWAYS good, mr/lvl most of the time better. Even if 85% of the damage is physical, flat mr will be better against any mage over mr/lvl in lane. ther'es not a single matchup that ANY rune is required for though, so your argument is pretty null So you're running gp10 quints and yellows? Since you don't need any runes you might aswell go with those that give you more gold than the opponent right? Flat MR will always help you out more than mr/lvl early, unless you're vs a pure physical lane. i could probably run gp10 quints and yellows, play passively, and win most lanes, yeah. and yes, flat MR will help more than mr/level. that's not to say it's needed. HP quints will help against harass more than MS quints will... but you don't see many people running HP quints any more. no rune is required for any lane. some help more than others. flat MR definitely are not as necessary as you make them seem
The question was which runes to buy as a fresh 30 with 2 rune pages. Flat MR runes are not necessary. Neither are MR/lvl. You might be ok running gp5 runes in all slots, but if you were to recommend only 1 blue rune to a newer player you wouldn't pick flat MR?
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On March 28 2012 22:25 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 17:51 gtrsrs wrote:On March 28 2012 17:23 JackDino wrote:On March 28 2012 17:12 gtrsrs wrote:On March 28 2012 17:08 JackDino wrote:On March 28 2012 16:59 gtrsrs wrote:On March 28 2012 15:14 Sandster wrote:On March 28 2012 15:12 BlackMagister wrote:
The point still was the guy wants the most universal rune page possible. Flat MR is match up specific while all lanes will benefit from mr per level because they will need mr in team fights. That makes no sense. He wants the most universal rune page possible, and flat MR lets you survive every lane and situation at the cost of some MR later in the game. no, the majority of damage done in ALL lanes in the early-game is physical, regardless of the matchup. more auto attack damage is traded that magic damage. if you have a very specific need for MR (i.e. against cass or ryze), then flat MR is very good, but against 85% of lanes, mr/level is definitely more universal. i can't even think of 10 champs i'd want flat MR against tbh There are some matchups you need flat mr or flat mr is really good against, there's not a single matchup mr/lvl is required for. How does that make mr/lvl more universal. Flat MR ALWAYS good, mr/lvl most of the time better. Even if 85% of the damage is physical, flat mr will be better against any mage over mr/lvl in lane. ther'es not a single matchup that ANY rune is required for though, so your argument is pretty null So you're running gp10 quints and yellows? Since you don't need any runes you might aswell go with those that give you more gold than the opponent right? Flat MR will always help you out more than mr/lvl early, unless you're vs a pure physical lane. i could probably run gp10 quints and yellows, play passively, and win most lanes, yeah. and yes, flat MR will help more than mr/level. that's not to say it's needed. HP quints will help against harass more than MS quints will... but you don't see many people running HP quints any more. no rune is required for any lane. some help more than others. flat MR definitely are not as necessary as you make them seem The question was which runes to buy as a fresh 30 with 2 rune pages. Flat MR runes are not necessary. Neither are MR/lvl. You might be ok running gp5 runes in all slots, but if you were to recommend only 1 blue rune to a newer player you wouldn't pick flat MR?
Yeah, if I were to make a general rune page it'd prolyl be something like HP quints, Flat armor Yellows, Flat MR Blues, and I dunno, I guess flat AD reds? Good against harrass, helps with last hitting. Good for noobs imo.
You don't REQUIRE runes for any particular matchup, but they definitely do help. If you has flat MR rune pages to counter a magic champ you have a huge advantage in trades. You can outtrade them, you can zone them. You can zone them, you can get and stretch a gold lead.
/shrug
Plus flat AD runes woukld be good for noob casters, get them to understand that you should auto attack. Number of times I seen a new caster player watch a champ get away with 10 HP while in AA range for a huge amount of time is obcene. "Why would I AA? My skills do damage yo!"
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If you are starting fresh with new runes, I would reccomend defensive runes before offensive. Every champ could use more survivability and easier in-lane trades while some don't need offensive runes as much (EG, supports, certain toplaners).
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The best first runepage for a guy new to LoL and the best first runepage if you're getting a smurf account is wastly different i would say.
If you're new, get a general defensive runepage since you're going to misjudge a lot of situations/trades and the extra defensive buffer will stop you from dying a lot. Having AD reds also helps a lot with lasthitting.
If you're starting a smurf or just getting a new account for whatever reason, you probably want to get a more normal rune page for the role/roles you're thinking of playing most.
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I don't agree with HP quints. For the same price you can get a full set of AD and AP quints for use in 2 rune pages.
HP quints also are "crutch" and encourage the wrong style of play, whereas AD/AP quints teach you that early trades in lane are a big deal (i.e. don't do it unless you're sure you're going to win, or when they can't retaliate). Personally I got much better in lane after switching away from HP quints.
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Yipee for swift justice, giving people like that the power to instaban is just flat-out wrong.
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Seriously, the people need to either live in Cali near Riot's office or actually move there in order to get that job. How they hell do they hire people as moronic as that in the first place.
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On March 29 2012 01:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Seriously, the people need to either live in Cali near Riot's office or actually move there in order to get that job. How they hell do they hire people as moronic as that in the first place.
the people need to either live in Cali
I believed you answered your own question.
In seriousness, it's very difficult to get a completely idiot-proof selection process. You're always going to have a few bad apples. And who knows, maybe he's not a bad guy, but was just having a crappy day and was pissed someone demanded top. It's possible that the player was being a dick about it; obviously not warranting a ban, but not the "I was a sweet little lamb playing Irelia top, and the big bad Riot employee wanted top and banned me for it" story he presented.
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On March 29 2012 01:20 ManyCookies wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 01:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Seriously, the people need to either live in Cali near Riot's office or actually move there in order to get that job. How they hell do they hire people as moronic as that in the first place. I believed you answered your own question. In seriousness, it's very difficult to get a completely idiot-proof selection process. You're always going to have a few bad apples. And who knows, maybe he's not a bad guy, but was just having a crappy day and was pissed someone demanded top. It's possible that the player was being a dick about it; obviously not warranting a ban, but not the "I was a sweet little lamb playing Irelia top, and the big bad Riot employee wanted top and banned me for it" story he presented.
Still, the replay backs up what he said, and I'm inclined to believe that a Riven who demands two top and no jungle instead of jungling themself is not just bad. VERY BAD.
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On March 29 2012 01:20 ManyCookies wrote:
but not the "I was a sweet little lamb playing Irelia top, and the big bad Riot employee wanted top and banned me for it" story he presented.
That wasn't even what happened.
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On March 29 2012 01:20 ManyCookies wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 01:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Seriously, the people need to either live in Cali near Riot's office or actually move there in order to get that job. How they hell do they hire people as moronic as that in the first place. I believed you answered your own question. In seriousness, it's very difficult to get a completely idiot-proof selection process. You're always going to have a few bad apples. And who knows, maybe he's not a bad guy, but was just having a crappy day and was pissed someone demanded top. It's possible that the player was being a dick about it; obviously not warranting a ban, but not the "I was a sweet little lamb playing Irelia top, and the big bad Riot employee wanted top and banned me for it" story he presented.
You know just a couple days ago the same person had done a similiar thing?
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That wasn't even what happened.
Of course not, and the player is clearly a victim regardless of how much of a dick he was.
On March 29 2012 01:35 Shikyo wrote:
You know just a couple days ago the same person had done a similiar thing?
Oh, alright. That's a little harder to justify.
I confess I only read the first half or so of his story, but it gave me a huge "I am totally completely innocent, but the Tribunal/system/Riot/whatever is stupid and flawed and bans innocent people all the time" vibe. I didn't realize there was a replay. So disregard what I said if there is strong evidence to the contrary.
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I only read half your post, but it gave me a huge "I'm completely clueless" vibe.
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Dohohohoh. I deserved that.
How do you lose a lane properly? I play champions with many good matchups, to the point where I sort of expect that I at least go even in my lane. But once I'm behind, I keep going with that attitude, hoping I can catch a mistake and getting back into the lane. Which either works or puts me more behind. On the other hand, just trying to passively farm creeps gives the other laner permission to bully without reprisal. Is there a more general "Let's not expand the disadvantage he already has" strategy?
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So, anyone watching apl?
Mouz vs Clg.eu
AL vs Na'Vi
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On March 29 2012 02:05 ManyCookies wrote:
Dohohohoh. I deserved that.
How do you lose a lane properly? I play champions with many good matchups, to the point where I sort of expect that I at least go even in my lane. But once I'm behind, I keep going with that attitude, hoping I can catch a mistake and getting back into the lane. Which either works or puts me more behind. On the other hand, just trying to passively farm creeps gives the other laner permission to bully without reprisal. Is there a more general "Let's not expand the disadvantage he already has" strategy?
I tend to try and do dragon/buffs in trade for t1 tower, then farm defensively and push his t1 when he shows himself on the map. But then again, I play udyr top so i don't really get in this situation.
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