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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 28 2012 10:24 GMT
#2001
On March 28 2012 18:59 JackDino wrote:
Why no one playing cait anymore, still such a strong lane with a taric/leona or even a nunu/janna. Especially leona.


Cait doenst bring much to the table in early / midgame teamskirmishes other then her autoattack. Cant really get bruisers of yourself, you need lategame to dominate.
KCCO!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 28 2012 10:25 GMT
#2002
On March 28 2012 19:24 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 18:59 JackDino wrote:
Why no one playing cait anymore, still such a strong lane with a taric/leona or even a nunu/janna. Especially leona.


Cait doenst bring much to the table in early / midgame teamskirmishes other then her autoattack. Cant really get bruisers of yourself, you need lategame to dominate.

Early game skirmishes dont matter that much when the other ad carry is underfarmed. Also traps.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 28 2012 10:27 GMT
#2003
Theres alot more elements to it ofcourse. Lets just say that most of the other AD carrys add a little more to teamfights early on then Cait. Im a caitplayer myself tho, if u can passive farm all game you become godlike. I do like her, but its harder to get back into a game for example with her if you are behind, farm farm farm farm.
KCCO!
valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
March 28 2012 10:33 GMT
#2004
Question if anyone would care to answer it. Is AP sion better than AD sion, if so why or why not.? It has kind of divided the group of people I play with. (AD sion being like 3 PDs IE BT and GA)
I think that AP sion is better since the ratios are 0.9 which is sweet and you have a ranged nuke and you are fairly tanky with massive shield and lichbane proc lifesteal, they argue that your ult is amazing on ad sion and you can't die ever and that the E gives you a bunch of free stats for ad. But I think that that means you walk up get cc'd die whereas with ap you can walk up dfg stun have shield and not die so fast.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 28 2012 10:35 GMT
#2005
On March 28 2012 19:33 valheru wrote:
Question if anyone would care to answer it. Is AP sion better than AD sion, if so why or why not.? It has kind of divided the group of people I play with. (AD sion being like 3 PDs IE BT and GA)
I think that AP sion is better since the ratios are 0.9 which is sweet and you have a ranged nuke and you are fairly tanky with massive shield and lichbane proc lifesteal, they argue that your ult is amazing on ad sion and you can't die ever and that the E gives you a bunch of free stats for ad. But I think that that means you walk up get cc'd die whereas with ap you can walk up dfg stun have shield and not die so fast.

Fully equipped, I'd rather have AD Sion because he doesn't ever die, but in fact, chances are you won't ever get him there against competent players. He's no threat at all till late game, while AP Sion can influence the game easily by pushing+roaming. I'd rather have a competent AP Sion on my team.
currently rooting for myself.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 28 2012 10:36 GMT
#2006
Yeah AP sion definately, can just roam and his ganks allways come trough with the stun + bigbooooom

AD sion is a great pubstomp lower elo tho
KCCO!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 28 2012 10:36 GMT
#2007
On March 28 2012 19:33 valheru wrote:
Question if anyone would care to answer it. Is AP sion better than AD sion, if so why or why not.? It has kind of divided the group of people I play with. (AD sion being like 3 PDs IE BT and GA)
I think that AP sion is better since the ratios are 0.9 which is sweet and you have a ranged nuke and you are fairly tanky with massive shield and lichbane proc lifesteal, they argue that your ult is amazing on ad sion and you can't die ever and that the E gives you a bunch of free stats for ad. But I think that that means you walk up get cc'd die whereas with ap you can walk up dfg stun have shield and not die so fast.

I feel like it's easier to get farmed on AP. Big unkillable shield that one shots every minion in the wave, and good burst and ganking potential. AD I feel like is okay if you get farm, but you do get kited around without a gap closer, and some CC pretty much instantly locks you down if you build that squishy.
God Bless
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 10:38:33
March 28 2012 10:36 GMT
#2008
Imo AP Sion better early game, but late game AD Sion is way stronger.

Thing is it hard to get AD Sion into the late game without being underfarmed.

And when I say AD Sion late game I mean like 5-6 items... before that AP better at pretty much everything.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 28 2012 10:42 GMT
#2009
AP Sion: Great Laning, Great Farming, Great Early, Terrible Late

Ad Sion: Terrible Laning, Terrible Farming, Terrible Early, Great Late

Pick your poison.

they're both boring
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
March 28 2012 11:28 GMT
#2010
Terrible late game? I don't really know about that. Of course there are AP:s that are LOT better, but still. DFG + Q + W is still pretty much a killed carry, and at least on my level staying alive with Sion late is pretty easy, compared to some AP:s.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 28 2012 11:33 GMT
#2011
On March 28 2012 20:28 Gaslo wrote:
Terrible late game? I don't really know about that. Of course there are AP:s that are LOT better, but still. DFG + Q + W is still pretty much a killed carry, and at least on my level staying alive with Sion late is pretty easy, compared to some AP:s.


All your damage pretty much mitigated by being focused briefly.

Compare that to say and Ahri who can deal more single target burst damage and all of her abilities are AoE at the same time. Compared to every other AP carry late game/Sions early game strength he fall off late.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 11:52:27
March 28 2012 11:49 GMT
#2012
Btw, Orianna support pown hardcore Zilean support and so would Janna I suppose. But Orianna is funnier ;o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
March 28 2012 12:01 GMT
#2013
I got a friend to watch the current OGN match with me. He asked if there was a difference between which skins were being chosen.

That got me thinking, what if Riot indeed made each skin different (more than cosmetically)? Like give one skin +5 AP, another +1% ms, etc. Would the sales of skins increase? Decrease? Would people protest? Does Riot have any official stance on this matter?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
March 28 2012 12:10 GMT
#2014
Most people would be really pissed at them selling power. Riot has already come out strongly against doing such a thing.
twitch.tv/cratonz
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 28 2012 12:12 GMT
#2015
On March 28 2012 20:28 Gaslo wrote:
Terrible late game? I don't really know about that. Of course there are AP:s that are LOT better, but still. DFG + Q + W is still pretty much a killed carry, and at least on my level staying alive with Sion late is pretty easy, compared to some AP:s.


I would call AP Sion hands down the worst lategame AP in the game.You will never get a shield pop off against a squishy vs anyone who knows how to teamfight, leaving you with a single target 550 range stun nuke with a .9 ratio as your only purpose. Flat out awful. As APsion you rely on getting your team a massive advantage in the midgame by winning all 3 lanes at once, if that fails to work spectacularly you become worthless in a hurry.

In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
paradigmsort
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada10 Posts
March 28 2012 12:18 GMT
#2016
They could get away with selling skins with power if they sold them with IP instead of RP-only.

In that case it would really just be another rune slot with the side effect of alienating people who already bought cosmetic-only skins.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 28 2012 12:22 GMT
#2017
On March 28 2012 21:01 pschiu wrote:
I got a friend to watch the current OGN match with me. He asked if there was a difference between which skins were being chosen.

That got me thinking, what if Riot indeed made each skin different (more than cosmetically)? Like give one skin +5 AP, another +1% ms, etc. Would the sales of skins increase? Decrease? Would people protest? Does Riot have any official stance on this matter?


Everyone would hate it.

People who actually only free to play would be pissed because they are weaker than paying players.

People who buy skins for looks would be pissed because they are forced to play with the skin with the best stats.

Riot pissed because only the one or two best skins for a character would ever be bought and they cant make new skins.

everyone loses
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Shanba
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland144 Posts
March 28 2012 12:30 GMT
#2018
On March 28 2012 21:22 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 21:01 pschiu wrote:
I got a friend to watch the current OGN match with me. He asked if there was a difference between which skins were being chosen.

That got me thinking, what if Riot indeed made each skin different (more than cosmetically)? Like give one skin +5 AP, another +1% ms, etc. Would the sales of skins increase? Decrease? Would people protest? Does Riot have any official stance on this matter?


Everyone would hate it.

People who actually only free to play would be pissed because they are weaker than paying players.

People who buy skins for looks would be pissed because they are forced to play with the skin with the best stats.

Riot pissed because only the one or two best skins for a character would ever be bought and they cant make new skins.

everyone loses

Those kinds of small customisations are exactly what masteries are for, anyway.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 28 2012 12:33 GMT
#2019
But you don't pick masteries because the icon is pretty or it makes funny sounds. And you don't pay for it either.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 28 2012 12:39 GMT
#2020
Skins giving bonuses would be the worst idea ever. I think their system of skins just being cosmetic is the best.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
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