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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
February 29 2012 06:18 GMT
#81
I can see Fiona rocking the phage -> wits end -> frozen mantle build harder than Irelia. Instant buy for me.
Best Teemo World
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
February 29 2012 06:21 GMT
#82
Janna/Fiora bottom will become the new meta. Corki goes top and counters the bruiser.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
February 29 2012 06:25 GMT
#83
Is this a thing now? Are we going with Fiona?

My much-tested totally not theorycrafted Fiona build is MBR rush. Totally nothing like warwick either because she's a girl.
boomer hands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 29 2012 06:27 GMT
#84
On February 29 2012 15:15 snowbird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 14:44 gaizka wrote:
I don't like the change to Lux's e, maybe I just don't understand it but I use it just as a part of the burst so I always want to detonate it as soon as possible.


It's actually a big buff to e. Before you would use e and then had 5 sec to detonate it until it auto detonates. After detonation the CD would start ticking (9 sec). Now you use e and the CD immediately starts ticking (10 sec), that means that if you immediately detonate e after using, you'll still have the old cd of 9sec because it takes roughly 1 sec for the particle to fly. If you wait for the whole 5 sec until you detonate it, the CD will be at only 5 sec.

I like it this way, use E to cut off escapes, and then Q (Easier to hit now that they're slowed), E again, Lazer, E again.
liftlift > tsm
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 29 2012 06:32 GMT
#85
Anybody want to do some dick-around trolling normals? I'm too excite to play serious waiting for this patch.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
February 29 2012 07:00 GMT
#86
I think the name "Fiora" sounds stupid so I'm going to call her Fiona.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 29 2012 07:08 GMT
#87
On February 29 2012 16:00 arnath wrote:
I think the name "Fiora" sounds stupid so I'm going to call her Fiona.

Motion seconded.

I hope to god the next new character is a support.
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
February 29 2012 07:15 GMT
#88
On February 29 2012 16:08 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 16:00 arnath wrote:
I think the name "Fiora" sounds stupid so I'm going to call her Fiona.

Motion seconded.

I hope to god the next new character is a support.


Motion thirded.

We can now have a NANANANANA troll battle:

morgana
shyvana
orianna
sona
tristana

vs

leona
katarina
janna
luxanna
fiona
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
February 29 2012 07:17 GMT
#89
I was actually like haha Na...then i saw Luxanna and actually was like haha.

Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 07:32:42
February 29 2012 07:32 GMT
#90
Can't decide if wriggles -> BT and then maybe a triforce will be the best on her. It capitalizes on the on-hit and lifesteal from the ult really well, but perhaps building her Irelia style is stronger (or at least more durable). We'll see tomorrow!
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
February 29 2012 07:39 GMT
#91
Im not sure, she seems pretty weak since all her stuff is based on autoattacks. Fear she will be more like Xin instead of more like Irelia
KCCO!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 29 2012 07:46 GMT
#92
On February 29 2012 16:32 Perplex wrote:
Can't decide if wriggles -> BT and then maybe a triforce will be the best on her. It capitalizes on the on-hit and lifesteal from the ult really well, but perhaps building her Irelia style is stronger (or at least more durable). We'll see tomorrow!

Wit's End feels almost a given. Keep in mind that on-hit effects aren't subject to %-AD reductions. Meaning that Wit's End procs for full damage on all hits of the ultimate (and would take you instantly to max stacks).
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 29 2012 07:47 GMT
#93
On February 29 2012 16:32 Perplex wrote:
Can't decide if wriggles -> BT and then maybe a triforce will be the best on her. It capitalizes on the on-hit and lifesteal from the ult really well, but perhaps building her Irelia style is stronger (or at least more durable). We'll see tomorrow!

No, you tiamat stack with her, use ur ulti, and watch everyone QQ about how op'd fiora is.
liftlift > tsm
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 29 2012 07:55 GMT
#94
People QQ about all carries because carries can get kills. That and only the diehards constantly have enough IP to buy these new champions and they carry the most . Tri Force won't proc often enough on her ult. Anything else would seem nice though.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
February 29 2012 07:58 GMT
#95
On February 29 2012 16:46 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 16:32 Perplex wrote:
Can't decide if wriggles -> BT and then maybe a triforce will be the best on her. It capitalizes on the on-hit and lifesteal from the ult really well, but perhaps building her Irelia style is stronger (or at least more durable). We'll see tomorrow!

Wit's End feels almost a given. Keep in mind that on-hit effects aren't subject to %-AD reductions. Meaning that Wit's End procs for full damage on all hits of the ultimate (and would take you instantly to max stacks).


Wit's end so good, but I think the main possible contention is whether you even want to bother going that route of just going straight for the AD/Crit/Lifesteal synergy route. She doesn't seem like she needs the magic resist all that bad.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 29 2012 07:58 GMT
#96
I still don't get what's the point of making yi 2.0, now with boobs. :/
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 29 2012 08:09 GMT
#97
On February 29 2012 16:58 BlackPaladin wrote:
I still don't get what's the point of making yi 2.0, now with boobs. :/


yi has abilities that scale off of AP. he's part of the old school of thought (or more correctly, no thought) of RIOT's. where they didn't make kits that made sense always. ap yi, ap trist, irelia having ap ratios, sion/gragas having high ap ratios (though, these turned out ok, just not as intended) are all examples of classic lol champs that are meant to be built one way but scale extensively off of a counterproductive stat

riot is now starting to make champs that have more cohesion in their skills. shyvana: magic damage, but still scales off of AD so you're encouraged to not build her like a fumbling retard. talon: no real AP ratios. fiora. voli/sej/nautilus having self-health scaling skills and wanting you to build them tanky
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
February 29 2012 08:39 GMT
#98
I think the original idea was that you could build champions any way you wanted. If you wanted to build ap yi or ad yi you could. This didn't turn out to work because in these types of games, there is always one optimal build for every situation. Coupled with the fact that they have masteries and runes (this is the part they did not think out) it does not make sense to have preset advantages in certain stats when the optimal choice will not be known until afterwards (back when it was just blind pick).
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
February 29 2012 08:46 GMT
#99
So afterall they do stick with Olaf nerfs
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 09:05:54
February 29 2012 09:02 GMT
#100
On February 29 2012 17:46 Kaniol wrote:
So afterall they do stick with Olaf nerfs

Olaf

Axe Throw
Damage increased to 80-260 from 50-210
Scaling changed to +1.0 bonus AD from +0.5 total AD
Base cooldown reduced to 8 seconds from 10
Cooldown reduction for picking up the axe reduced to 4.5 seconds from 6
Ragnarok now provides 30/45/60 Armor and Magic Resist instead of 20/30/40 flat damage reduction
Movement Speed increased to 325 from 320
Poppy

How is this a nerf? Armor & MR from ulti synergizes better with the fact that Olaf wants to build health, not armor. Free flat damage reduction scales better off of armor, resists scale better off of +HP.

Extra move speed for a champ with no gap closers is pretty cool.

Axe CD is now shorter and scales better with equipment (And it gains more when you press W!) but less well from leveling up and gaining base attack damage. Assuming you only have atmogs at 18 with new olaf, you have more axe damage than previously.

The Axe CD change still allows you to spam your axe quite a bit if you have max CDR and pick up your axe - if you somehow instantly picked up your axe with 40% CDR, you'd have a 0.3 second CD. Thus, the CDR changes to axe are pretty much purely a buff (a buff to everyone EXCEPT 40-cdr olafs who are throwing their axe at point blank range.. .and even then, you still spam your axe b/c the throw animation probably takes longer than 0.3 seconds.)

Mathcraft:
+ Show Spoiler +

So, let's assume we have a level 9 olaf who just maxed out Axe, and only has a wriggles lantern for items.
Pre-nerf he would do 210+(89+23)/2 = 266 damage on a 10 second CD (4s if he picks up the axe) and now he does 260+23 = 283 damage on an 8 second CD (3.5s if he picks up the axe)

That's not even while his W is active. Late game he'll probably have atmogs and gain even more off the new bonus-AD scaling.


Not a nerf on any count. If you want, I'll mathcraft earlier and later levels, but I'm pretty sure the new olaf axe is better on almost all counts, except the ones where you build pure tanky, and even then it's close to even.
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