On February 29 2012 12:48 Two_DoWn wrote: Riven- Hotfix
Stats: Attack speed gain per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9. Base armor increased to 15 from 12. Broken Wings: bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6. Ki Shout: cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Valor: Shield strength increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160. Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7. Wind Slash: Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Missile speed increased to 2200 from 2000.
Im not sure those are what I would refer to as overbuffed, or that without these changes she was garbage.
Remember, she still had an absurd hp/5 before AND after the changes. The only meaningful change in the hotfix was a buff to her shield, which basically translated to 20 shield and a 1 second cd drop. I dont really think you can qualify any of those as overbuffing her.
Riven was a clear case of no one knew how to play her, then Westrice figured her out.
the attack speed gains are huge for pushing towers with ult after you force someone out of lane base armor of 3 increase is an increase from 10.8% damage reduction to 13% damage reduction, an increase of 120% shield strength increases were insane, 20 more damage (150% more) per every cast, casts come 10% faster, that's another damage reduction of like 165%...
and the spellcast times were nice. maybe a bit trivial but everything helps
i definitely think people not knowing how to play her didn't help her case, but she was decidedly weak on release
On February 29 2012 12:59 Tryndamere wrote: Patch is still not out, they usually release the notes after patch is out. I am still waiting for FLORA!!!!!!
On February 29 2012 13:17 jaybrundage wrote: Fiona's ult sounds like master yi's q T_T
On February 29 2012 13:06 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: So how does Fiola's ult work? Like you can dash around multiple enemies so fast you can't be targeted? What if your opponents are lagging and they see you freeze during your ult? :c Does that mean they can hit you?
Also: Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a vision ward Summoner 1 has bought a oracle's elixer Summoner 1 has bought a shurelya's reverie EnemyGuyGuy has scored a quadrakill! Summoner 2 has bought a vision ward ... gonna be real annoying
Thats why I am kind of dreading it. I want to see the actual implementation.
Of course, Soniv and Monty think Im being ridiculous, but hey, who are they to tell me what to get annoyed at.
Don't worry, in TL B games you'll never see "Soniv has bought a sight ward," in fact, you probably won't see such lines much at all, so your chat won't be cluttered! npnp
On February 29 2012 12:48 Two_DoWn wrote: Riven- Hotfix
Stats: Attack speed gain per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9. Base armor increased to 15 from 12. Broken Wings: bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6. Ki Shout: cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Valor: Shield strength increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160. Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7. Wind Slash: Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Missile speed increased to 2200 from 2000.
Im not sure those are what I would refer to as overbuffed, or that without these changes she was garbage.
Remember, she still had an absurd hp/5 before AND after the changes. The only meaningful change in the hotfix was a buff to her shield, which basically translated to 20 shield and a 1 second cd drop. I dont really think you can qualify any of those as overbuffing her.
Riven was a clear case of no one knew how to play her, then Westrice figured her out.
the attack speed gains are huge for pushing towers with ult after you force someone out of lane base armor of 3 increase is an increase from 10.8% damage reduction to 13% damage reduction, an increase of 120% shield strength increases were insane, 20 more damage (150% more) per every cast, casts come 10% faster, that's another damage reduction of like 165%...
and the spellcast times were nice. maybe a bit trivial but everything helps
i definitely think people not knowing how to play her didn't help her case, but she was decidedly weak on release
i don't even know why we are even bothering arguing about release riven when she came out in like november... moonbear's point was that fiora is strong.
On February 29 2012 13:17 jaybrundage wrote: Fiona's ult sounds like master yi's q T_T
its not, there's some leaked footage of what it looks like
Where?
think my roommate found it on reddit. it was a scrappy recording of the champion page where it shows a short video of each of the abilities. at a bad angle though, like a lolreplay angle, so it's hard to see the diameter of the (supposed) circle that she dashes around in.
from what I gathered though it seems to be about as large as mummy ult and she just fuckin dashes around. hopefully she can targeted, she's looking like an AD katarina right now.
On February 29 2012 12:52 mOnion wrote: has she not been touched since then? cuz she's op in lane now, fuckin gay.
not much of a team fighter though
How is she not much of a team fighter? AoE stun on ridiculously low c/d, will chase down your squishies 'till the ends of the earth with dash+Q, shield and hp regen from BT+ult will let her 1v2 or more in many cases.
aoe is pretty small. hp regen is esentially irrelevant in team fights, and you are simply describing any kind of an anti-carry. riven has trouble because her distance closing gets fucked up by shit in the way, so either you initiate with Q and cant use it to get to carry, or you save it and then just get kited by the team. she has no burst for the carry either (other than ult spell) so it takes too long for the carry to die before people jump on you.
also she can be cc'd the entire time she's q'ing towards someone. I dont think she's bad, just definitely weaker in teamfights than laning. for example wukong is a much stronger teamfighter.
Nope, still gonna have to disgree with you here. AoE stun even with small radius is huge for disruption and positioning especially when it's decently easy to get near someone like with Riven. Sure she doesn't have a long targeted dash, but she can still get to where she wants to go without too much issue. If she gets cced or her closing gets fucked with, then your real carries are going to be able to do that much more. Her hp regen and survivability from damage and Wriggle's is ridiculous, never mind if she actually builds a couple tank items. The shield on low cooldown allows her to stay at roughly even hp if she isn't getting bursted down heanily. Yes she has no burst herself, but not every champion does. She won't necessarily be able to take down a carry immediately by herself, but that's not her job as she isn't a burst assassin. Her job is to disrupt and deal damage to the best of her ability for as long as possible---as such she will often last until the end of a teamfight and be able to clean up or chase off stragglers/carries. This does not make her bad in teamfights, though I would agree Wukong is better (there are many better).
On February 29 2012 12:52 mOnion wrote: has she not been touched since then? cuz she's op in lane now, fuckin gay.
not much of a team fighter though
How is she not much of a team fighter? AoE stun on ridiculously low c/d, will chase down your squishies 'till the ends of the earth with dash+Q, shield and hp regen from BT+ult will let her 1v2 or more in many cases.
aoe is pretty small. hp regen is esentially irrelevant in team fights, and you are simply describing any kind of an anti-carry. riven has trouble because her distance closing gets fucked up by shit in the way, so either you initiate with Q and cant use it to get to carry, or you save it and then just get kited by the team. she has no burst for the carry either (other than ult spell) so it takes too long for the carry to die before people jump on you.
also she can be cc'd the entire time she's q'ing towards someone. I dont think she's bad, just definitely weaker in teamfights than laning. for example wukong is a much stronger teamfighter.
Nope, still gonna have to disgree with you here. AoE stun even with small radius is huge for disruption and positioning especially when it's decently easy to get near someone like with Riven. Sure she doesn't have a long targeted dash, but she can still get to where she wants to go without too much issue. If she gets cced or her closing gets fucked with, then your real carries are going to be able to do that much more. Her hp regen and survivability from damage and Wriggle's is ridiculous, never mind if she actually builds a couple tank items. The shield on low cooldown allows her to stay at roughly even hp if she isn't getting bursted down heanily. Yes she has no burst herself, but not every champion does. She won't necessarily be able to take down a carry immediately by herself, but that's not her job as she isn't a burst assassin. Her job is to disrupt and deal damage to the best of her ability for as long as possible---as such she will often last until the end of a teamfight and be able to clean up or chase off stragglers/carries. This does not make her bad in teamfights, though I would agree Wukong is better (there are many better).
hm you prolly right
pretty tired at the library, theorycrafting muscles aren't stretched hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrng
On February 29 2012 13:06 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: So how does Fiola's ult work? Like you can dash around multiple enemies so fast you can't be targeted? What if your opponents are lagging and they see you freeze during your ult? :c Does that mean they can hit you?
Also: Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a vision ward Summoner 1 has bought a oracle's elixer Summoner 1 has bought a shurelya's reverie EnemyGuyGuy has scored a quadrakill! Summoner 2 has bought a vision ward ... gonna be real annoying
Thats why I am kind of dreading it. I want to see the actual implementation.
Of course, Soniv and Monty think Im being ridiculous, but hey, who are they to tell me what to get annoyed at.
You can be annoyed at whatever you damn well please. You said "I think it's going to be terrible". I believe the good from it will FAR outweigh whatever petty little annoyances could come out of it.
On February 29 2012 12:48 Two_DoWn wrote: Riven- Hotfix
Stats: Attack speed gain per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9. Base armor increased to 15 from 12. Broken Wings: bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6. Ki Shout: cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Valor: Shield strength increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160. Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7. Wind Slash: Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Missile speed increased to 2200 from 2000.
Im not sure those are what I would refer to as overbuffed, or that without these changes she was garbage.
Remember, she still had an absurd hp/5 before AND after the changes. The only meaningful change in the hotfix was a buff to her shield, which basically translated to 20 shield and a 1 second cd drop. I dont really think you can qualify any of those as overbuffing her.
Riven was a clear case of no one knew how to play her, then Westrice figured her out.
Yeah, she was plenty fine when released. She was perfectly balanced imo. Just no one wanted to work out how to play her. Then again, tbh that was before everyone went wriggles. so no one did wrigs first riven (except me! lol tehehehehe).
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