EPTOn February 29 2012 12:39 bokeevboke wrote:
because you can't quadra/penta/ace everytime?
because you can't quadra/penta/ace everytime?
No, because you can't even get a killing spree out of lanign phase with the champ.... He's just so damn squishy.
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
No, because you can't even get a killing spree out of lanign phase with the champ.... He's just so damn squishy. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:31 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Sekret Riot informers too stronk heuhuehue. I refuse to comfirm/deny that Fiora is release-Riven levels of broken. Will the new blitz bot be definitely not blitzcrank? PS: Why you never play anymore. Risu and me miss our wabbit. Today you missed a discussion about how sexually attractive jeans are for Scip, which the worst pornos were that Hotblonde ever watched and how Shikyo beat Teutonica in an argument 1-0 just to find out it didn't matter anyway. Oh, and we learned that AD kennen > AD malz. LP.eu ez #1, always. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:39 bokeevboke wrote: because you can't quadra/penta/ace everytime? At least the old Jax built very differently from other in-your-face "bruisers" and his power curve was very distinct and interesting. You could get shut down easily, and it was generally a bit of a feat to actually get his cores on him without fucking up a lot in many laning scenarios. But now his distinctive features are pretty much gone. He's not even remotely close to what he was before the changes. There was nothing wrong with having a champ that is godly lategame but garbage past the immediate early game. These kind of things made Jax fun. Now we just have some boring champ that isn't exciting in any way. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Stats: Attack speed gain per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9. Base armor increased to 15 from 12. Broken Wings: bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6. Ki Shout: cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Valor: Shield strength increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160. Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7. Wind Slash: Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Missile speed increased to 2200 from 2000. Im not sure those are what I would refer to as overbuffed, or that without these changes she was garbage. Remember, she still had an absurd hp/5 before AND after the changes. The only meaningful change in the hotfix was a buff to her shield, which basically translated to 20 shield and a 1 second cd drop. I dont really think you can qualify any of those as overbuffing her. Riven was a clear case of no one knew how to play her, then Westrice figured her out. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
not much of a team fighter though | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:52 mOnion wrote: has she not been touched since then? cuz she's op in lane now, fuckin gay. not much of a team fighter though How is she not much of a team fighter? AoE stun on ridiculously low c/d, will chase down your squishies 'till the ends of the earth with dash+Q, shield and hp regen from BT+ult will let her 1v2 or more in many cases. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
That said I will be hypocritical and participate in day 1 shenanigans with her, sometimes even I take a break from boycotting new champs. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:39 bokeevboke wrote: because you can't quadra/penta/ace everytime? Yeah. I mean he still needs unreal amount of farm but now you need to be careful in lategame teamfights. Thats not fun. The real fun of playing jax was when lategame you jump in on like four people who immediately start focusing you and you just sit there mashing keys with your trollface on. Bam, quadra. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:48 Two_DoWn wrote: Riven- Hotfix Stats: Attack speed gain per level increased to 3.5 from 2.9. Base armor increased to 15 from 12. Broken Wings: bonus attack damage ratio increased to 0.7 from 0.6. Ki Shout: cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Valor: Shield strength increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160. Cooldown decreased to 10/9/8/7/6 from 11/10/9/8/7. Wind Slash: Cast time decreased to 0.25 from 0.5. Missile speed increased to 2200 from 2000. Im not sure those are what I would refer to as overbuffed, or that without these changes she was garbage. Remember, she still had an absurd hp/5 before AND after the changes. The only meaningful change in the hotfix was a buff to her shield, which basically translated to 20 shield and a 1 second cd drop. I dont really think you can qualify any of those as overbuffing her. Riven was a clear case of no one knew how to play her, then Westrice figured her out. riven was fine on release and by westrice you mean anyone with a brain l0l | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:51 UniversalSnip wrote: those... actually seem substantial to me Total change on q: .1 ad ratio. W: .25 cast time. E was buffed, but 20 damage and 1 second isnt exactly gamebreaking. Im not sure that even taking in total that is enough to where you say "REMOVE THAT AND SHE IS GARBAGE" And the rest of the stuff I would argue is purely cosmetic. 3 armor, .6 attack speed per level. I feel very comfortable saying that reverting those changes would not make Riven trash. & Ya Navi- probably true. I think this was just a case of "Oh there were hotfixes? She MUST have been trash!" Even though she clearly wasnt. I personally think yorick was similar. Release Yorick was probably the closest to balanced he has ever been. | ||
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:55 WaveofShadow wrote: How is she not much of a team fighter? AoE stun on ridiculously low c/d, will chase down your squishies 'till the ends of the earth with dash+Q, shield and hp regen from BT+ult will let her 1v2 or more in many cases. aoe is pretty small. hp regen is esentially irrelevant in team fights, and you are simply describing any kind of an anti-carry. riven has trouble because her distance closing gets fucked up by shit in the way, so either you initiate with Q and cant use it to get to carry, or you save it and then just get kited by the team. she has no burst for the carry either (other than ult spell) so it takes too long for the carry to die before people jump on you. also she can be cc'd the entire time she's q'ing towards someone. I dont think she's bad, just definitely weaker in teamfights than laning. for example wukong is a much stronger teamfighter. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On February 29 2012 12:23 Requizen wrote: From last thread: Eh, he works wonders in the right comps, or if you just like to rape carries. He's probably top 5 junglers in the game. He very much needs a team with him, though. If you don't take advantage of his ult or permaslow, he's worthless. It really depends on your team's ability to follow your lead. skarner is like shyvana except without needing the frozen mallet. Shyv can't do anything on her own. Skarner is good at peeling, initiating, and phasing, but he can't tank, which makes all 3 of his uses extremely dangerous, and difficult to capatalize on. Compare that to someone like rammus, who does the same thing, but when he grabs someone he can actually live long enough for his team to do something about it. I personally don't ban skarner or rammus, because all the nerfs have normalized them from being the best junglers. I would rather ban champions that make bad players think they are good players, like lee sin. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
Noxious Trap arm time reduced to 1 seconds from 2 What does this mean? Arm time is the time after you plant it before it can blow up? Also really happy about the timestamps for in-game chat. Gonna make timing stuff way easier. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Also: Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a vision ward Summoner 1 has bought a oracle's elixer Summoner 1 has bought a shurelya's reverie EnemyGuyGuy has scored a quadrakill! Summoner 2 has bought a vision ward ... gonna be real annoying | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On February 29 2012 13:06 arnath wrote: What does this mean? Arm time is the time after you plant it before it can blow up? Also really happy about the timestamps for in-game chat. Gonna make timing stuff way easier. AWWWWWWWWWWWWW FUCK YA I DIDNT' THINK ABOUT THIS typing numbers in game so hard. this is gonna be siiiick life. also yes, arm time is similar to shaco where takes a second for plant to proc | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On February 29 2012 13:07 mOnion wrote: AWWWWWWWWWWWWW FUCK YA I DIDNT' THINK ABOUT THIS typing numbers in game so hard. this is gonna be siiiick life. Haha, gonna be super helpful for people who suck at math :p | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 13:06 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: So how does Fiola's ult work? Like you can dash around multiple enemies so fast you can't be targeted? What if your opponents are lagging and they see you freeze during your ult? :c Does that mean they can hit you? Also: Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a sight ward Summoner 1 has bought a vision ward Summoner 1 has bought a oracle's elixer Summoner 1 has bought a shurelya's reverie EnemyGuyGuy has scored a quadrakill! Summoner 2 has bought a vision ward ... gonna be real annoying Thats why I am kind of dreading it. I want to see the actual implementation. Of course, Soniv and Monty think Im being ridiculous, but hey, who are they to tell me what to get annoyed at. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On February 29 2012 13:06 arnath wrote: What does this mean? Arm time is the time after you plant it before it can blow up? Also really happy about the timestamps for in-game chat. Gonna make timing stuff way easier. Yeah, you'd place it, it would cloak, and then be "armed." It used to take 2 seconds for that, now it takes 1. Means he can kite even better (lol). | ||
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