[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 231

On March 20 2012 00:31 TheKefka wrote:

That exists only if you played a small amount of games.
Elo hell does not exist,if you are better than the people you play against eventually you will rise no matter what sooner or later.

On March 20 2012 00:32 robertdinh wrote:


Comil has played nearly 1000 games...

On March 20 2012 00:34 TheKefka wrote:

I have no idea who that is.

On March 20 2012 00:06 Two_DoWn wrote:

Thats like saying the garbage man is a chef.

On my main I was 1400-1500 with 800 games played with Annie in ranked. When you buffed her I shot to 2075. Then after your last Nerf to her I have went down to 1700-1800.

On March 20 2012 00:37 LightRailCoyote wrote:
Hold on. You've found 1 example of a player who fluked his way up to high elo, and are using that example to try and prove your argument? And try and belittle everyone at the same time?

Because fuck the rare statistical outlier, you're right1

On March 20 2012 00:37 TheYango wrote:
For reference again: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qg3pb/level_130_experimentstatscomplete/


While I agree with the sentiment that acknowledging Elo hell is not really helpful to anyone, it's a bit unfair to robertdinh that we all had a good laugh at this when it was posted 2 weeks ago, and then pretend it doesn't exist when this kind of discussion arises.

On March 20 2012 00:35 BlackPaladin wrote:


Well that would be like going to a McDonald's so it's not a huge stretch.

On March 20 2012 00:38 Sabin010 wrote:
What if a 400 Elo player gets carried up to 2k, and the superior play of the 2k players he is matched up with and against inspire him to become the 2k player he was capable of being?

On March 20 2012 00:35 robertdinh wrote:


Well he is a player that after nearly 1000 games is at 1600ish rating right now, he was at 2100 a short while ago, and in skill is probably about 1300.

On March 20 2012 00:32 robertdinh wrote:


Comil has played nearly 1000 games...

On March 20 2012 00:40 robertdinh wrote:


Is a system where a 1300 caliber player can spike up to 2100 accurate? What about every case that is less extreme but is still inaccurate? What about the fact that this "outlier" was skewing results for many games up and down across all elos? How often will people run into a case like that to "even" it out?

Is 1000 games enough to determine an accurate elo? Why is this guy still fluctuating so wildly then? This guy is an example of why claiming elo hell doesn't exist, and trying to deal in absolutes like claiming X number of games will get you near your real elo, is silly.

On March 20 2012 00:46 mordek wrote:
I take Slayer's stance and claim that I'm terrible instead of judging others ELO. Only difference is I'm terrible and he's good XD

On March 20 2012 00:46 Mogwai wrote:

I'm going to postulate that:
1. he's not skillwise a 1300 and
2. there's a perfectly logical explanation for his drastic rises and falls in elo

I could just say, well, look at bigfatjiji, he's 2.2K, but he's a 1400 skill player, but we all know that's bullshit. because this guy you're talking about is obscure, we have no idea how skilled he is or why his elo bounced around, but I refuse to believe that he just lucked his way into 800 elo. assuming let's say 15 points/game, and that for no good reason his team has a 50% chance of winning for him (should be lower if he's at an artificially high elo), the statistical chances of him ending up 800 elo up at any point in time are 1 in 9,007,199,254,740,992 (technically worse, but who cares). Statistically, I don't buy it.

On March 20 2012 00:40 Two_DoWn wrote:
Except for the fact that nothing in that post has anything to do with the rate at which someone gets trolls and leavers. Its just about someone being good at one champion and sucky with the rest. In the context of this argument he is a 2k player when he gets the handicap of playing an overbuffed champion, same as how I would be 2.4k if Shyvana never died.