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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 19 2012 15:19 GMT
#4581
to be honest I'm not even sure what his argument is anymore he just seems to disagree with everyone regardless.
Carrilord has arrived.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 19 2012 15:21 GMT
#4582
On March 20 2012 00:18 ManyCookies wrote:
Can we please discuss a less controversial topic? Like Doran's on Supports or Wriggle's vs BF Sword on AD carries?

OR FLOWERS!

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"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 19 2012 15:21 GMT
#4583
Isn't that what trolls usually do? Also the flame bait by implying that everybody that disagrees with him is not well educated. Priceless
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:24:08
March 19 2012 15:23 GMT
#4584
On March 20 2012 00:21 BlueSpace wrote:
Isn't that what trolls usually do? Also the flame bait by implying that everybody that disagrees with him is not well educated. Priceless


Or that could just be you misconstruing what I say. As i made no such implication and merely stated that it is never pointless to be well-educated and understand how things work.
True skill comes without effort.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:24:14
March 19 2012 15:24 GMT
#4585
Probability isn't reality. - robertdinh
O RLY? - Quantum Physics
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:25:15
March 19 2012 15:25 GMT
#4586
On March 20 2012 00:24 Seuss wrote:
Probability isn't reality. - robertdinh
O RLY? - Quantum Physics


The probability of something happening does not mean it will actually happen in the real world. It just means that it may theoretically happen. O RLY? Connotation and Context.
True skill comes without effort.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:26:32
March 19 2012 15:25 GMT
#4587
Wait, I'm confused. Is he arguing that the threshold of a "large" number is going to be much higher than a normal player usually plays (especially if they're hovering around at an Elo they don't belong in)? Because yeah, I agree with that. Granted, it's not likely that you'll be stuck, and most of the players complaining probably should be at their ELO, but a significant portion of players will tend to be stuck at an ELO lower than what they should be.

Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 19 2012 15:25 GMT
#4588
I don't know what this argument is about anymore because I just scroll past these posts to see pictures of pretty flowers.

As for supports, I've been wondering with a shielding champ. Something along the lines of:
- can only shield either one of physical or magic damage at once
- whenever the shield's active, all regen, heals, etc. go toward the shield's HP. Soraka won't save you if the shield's set on magic damage when Tryndamere jumps at you
- you can get a nuke scaling on how much damage you've absorbed since the last cast/the shield went online, or whose damage type depends on which shield is on at the moment
- you can put the shield on an ally

The basic idea (only shield one type of damage at a time) looked great, but then even if you only picked some of the ideas put above, it can quickly become overly complicated, or hard to balance, and in the end totally miss the concept. I'd still like a champ designed around shields more than just having a spell grant one.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
March 19 2012 15:25 GMT
#4589
On March 20 2012 00:25 ManyCookies wrote:
Oh wait, is he arguing that the threshold of a "large" number is going to be much higher than a normal player usually plays (especially if they're hovering around at an Elo they don't belong in)? Because yeah, I agree with that. Granted, it's not likely that you'll be stuck at an ELO, but a significant portion of players will tend to be stuck at an ELO lower than what they should be.


Does that mean that for them they may be in some sorta hell regarding their elo? An elo hell if you will?
True skill comes without effort.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 19 2012 15:26 GMT
#4590
This elo discussion is so funny. Herp derp elo is a good approximation, herp derp no it isn't, herp derp yes it is, herp derp no it isn't.
Elo just states how much you won compared to how much you lost. That's it. So people with a high elo are winners. People with a low elo are losers. You may think someone with a high elo is a bad player, but he's still a winner. You may think you're a good player with low elo, but you're still a loser.

Only the dead have seen the end of war
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 19 2012 15:27 GMT
#4591
On March 20 2012 00:25 robertdinh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 00:24 Seuss wrote:
Probability isn't reality. - robertdinh
O RLY? - Quantum Physics


The probability of something happening does not mean it will actually happen in the real world. It just means that it may theoretically happen. O RLY? Connotation and Context.


I agree. In reality people don't get stuck in Elo Hell even though it might theoretically happen.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 19 2012 15:27 GMT
#4592
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:31:34
March 19 2012 15:28 GMT
#4593
Does that mean that for them they may be in some sorta hell regarding their elo? An elo hell if you will?


It's more like Probability's Purgatory. It's Probability's waiting room before he calls you in to the higher ELO waiting room. Where you do penance until you're skilled enough to move on to the next waiting room.
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
March 19 2012 15:28 GMT
#4594
On March 20 2012 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.


What about a 2100 elo player getting stuck at 1600, or a 1600 elo player fluking up to 2100 and ruining 2100 elo games for his teammates who expected him to be better than a 1600 elo player?
True skill comes without effort.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 19 2012 15:30 GMT
#4595
On March 20 2012 00:28 robertdinh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.


What about a 2100 elo player getting stuck at 1600, or a 1600 elo player fluking up to 2100 and ruining 2100 elo games for his teammates who expected him to be better than a 1600 elo player?


So
You believe in aliens don't you?
Only the dead have seen the end of war
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:34:32
March 19 2012 15:30 GMT
#4596
On March 20 2012 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.

I mean, in fairness, 400 Elo fluctuations actually do happen due to factors that don't involve "skill".

Again, remember the discussion of Damionwings being a 1600 Elo player that jumped to 2k after the Annie buff because he literally only knows how to play Annie?
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 19 2012 15:30 GMT
#4597
On March 20 2012 00:28 robertdinh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.


What about a 2100 elo player getting stuck at 1600, or a 1600 elo player fluking up to 2100 and ruining 2100 elo games for his teammates who expected him to be better than a 1600 elo player?

Those don't happen. I can't think of a single case of either of these unless it's an obvious case of someone letting others use their account.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:31:32
March 19 2012 15:30 GMT
#4598
[image loading]
Neo where are you~
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:32:14
March 19 2012 15:31 GMT
#4599
On March 20 2012 00:30 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 00:28 robertdinh wrote:
On March 20 2012 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.


What about a 2100 elo player getting stuck at 1600, or a 1600 elo player fluking up to 2100 and ruining 2100 elo games for his teammates who expected him to be better than a 1600 elo player?

Those don't happen. I can't think of a single case of either of these unless it's an obvious case of someone letting others use their account.


Comil, NA ladder... u can pick which case he is... i'll give you a hint, he is neither, he is a 1300 elo caliber player who spiked up to 2100.

So yes... they do happen.
True skill comes without effort.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 15:33:03
March 19 2012 15:31 GMT
#4600
On March 20 2012 00:28 robertdinh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 00:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Elo hell as in a 1450 player getting stuck in 1400. Not a 1800 player getting stuck in 1400.


What about a 2100 elo player getting stuck at 1600, or a 1600 elo player fluking up to 2100 and ruining 2100 elo games for his teammates who expected him to be better than a 1600 elo player?

That exists only if you played a small amount of games and if you get to 2.1k elo just by getting carried than its equivalent to you winning the lottery.
Elo hell does not exist,if you are better than the people you play against eventually you will rise no matter what sooner or later.
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