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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
March 17 2012 02:15 GMT
#3841
Wriggles still needs more nerfs! How does it grant more armor than the far more expensive Madrids? It's a lantern, not even a glove.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 17 2012 02:15 GMT
#3842
Every single change except the random rammus nerfs (lol what?) is something I not only approve of but was hoping I would see somewhere down the line. Especially the lifesteal nerfs.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:17:53
March 17 2012 02:16 GMT
#3843
Morello: Go fuck yourself.

Gimme SOMETHING back if your gonna nerf wriggles. ANYTHING.

User was warned for this post
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:19:24
March 17 2012 02:18 GMT
#3844
BT only losing half stacks makes that item have a lot more appeal now. Not that it was bad before but damn. The lifesteal nerfs will probably only be like 2-3% which won't stop people from building a vamp scepter or wriggle's imo.

edit:
Although you could always pick up a lifesteal quint to make up for the change if it's a big deal. I don't think the lifesteal quints are worth the AD you lose though.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 17 2012 02:20 GMT
#3845
The vamp scepter/wriggle's nerfs are really confusing to me, especially when put side by side with the Irelia nerf; let me lay out my thought process:

  • Irelia(and other sustain champions, but she's the one most out of line as far as sustain goes) inherit sustain is too strong, so we're nerfing it.
  • Riot is however also nerfing sustain in general from Vamp/Wriggles/BT
  • Champions without inherit sustain(almost all of which would build some) now have weaker sustain from itemization
  • Irelia not really nerfed that much


Now I don't have the numbers in front of me, and it's certainly not a catchall as there are some champions without inherit sustain that get it from not-wriggles(Philo Stone, or just spamming pots through lane phase), but it certainly does seem a bit odd as an overarching general change.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 17 2012 02:22 GMT
#3846
So Vamp Scepter is 10% now (nhat said so on stream), does anyone have any numbers on the other nerfs? Are all the changes on the PBE?
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 17 2012 02:34 GMT
#3847
Dammit I am so sick of these Rammus nerfs every Patch. What the hell. It's not even like anybody ever gets to play him anyway.
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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:36:31
March 17 2012 02:34 GMT
#3848
really hope maw of malmortius isn't the new ad caster item, taking a niche item no one buys and making a really expensive super version that no one will buy doesn't fill in any itemization gaps.

why can't they just make brutalizer also build into something decent for non-melee/attack speed champs?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 02:35 GMT
#3849
Btw guys. Jax dealt 0 dmg before -> Better nerf his damage.


I really wonder how much armor and mres they need for it to be equal... Hmm it was 65 and 25% of bonus ad and ap so even with no ad or ap it was worth like 3500 gold in resources...

To get 3500 gold worth of resistances you would need to make the ulti give... about 120 armor and magic resist? Yeah... Jax nerf.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
March 17 2012 02:35 GMT
#3850
http://www.own3d.tv/live/10955/Nhat_Nguyen

Nhat is playing LuLu
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:36:59
March 17 2012 02:35 GMT
#3851
On March 17 2012 11:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Morello: Go fuck yourself.

Gimme SOMETHING back if your gonna nerf wriggles. ANYTHING.


i seriously doubt that nerfing wriggles lifesteal will have much if any effect on jungling. As it is, when you buy wriggles, you simply never get even remotely close to dying in the jungle. Not to mention there's no mention of any changes to its dmg, so it won't affect clear speed. The only thing it might affect is some champs ability to solo drag, which isn't that big of a deal tbh, kus you usually want ur team to help you anyways. Ofc, this is purely speculation, but if they only touch lifesteal, and only by a bit, then it shouldn't affect jungle at all.

edit: typo
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 02:38 GMT
#3852
Another thing: Kennen currently is almost impossible to do anything about solo top, and it's very difficult to outsustain his harrass with anything. Now they just nerfed every single bruiser... Can kennen NOT win a toplane now?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
March 17 2012 02:41 GMT
#3853
On March 17 2012 11:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:06 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 17 2012 11:03 rob.au wrote:
I hope when they nerf that champ that they nerf the carry potential rather than the utility so they can be a fun support for once.

i maintain that with that kit, she's never going to be able to compete with janna/ali/sona/soraka. only 1 hard cc and no sustain doesn't make for a good support imoimo. her ult looks strong, but i don't think it's enough to justify picking her as a support.

Who would play her as a support lol


I don't see why you guys are dismissing support Lulu so easily o_O like what makes a Lulu lane any weaker than a Janna lane? it depends on the numbers but lulu seems capable of doing just about everything Janna does. (not necessarily disagreeing, because you're probably much better than me, but I just don't understand the problem...)

also, I don't see why lulu's ult would be affected by ignite. my understanding was that it increases the health stat, like a feast stack, rather than being an actual heal.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 17 2012 02:43 GMT
#3854
On March 17 2012 11:38 Shikyo wrote:
Another thing: Kennen currently is almost impossible to do anything about solo top, and it's very difficult to outsustain his harrass with anything. Now they just nerfed every single bruiser... Can kennen NOT win a toplane now?


ban.

=)

on a more serious note, we'll just have to see how everything plays out, even if i agree with you >_>
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 17 2012 02:43 GMT
#3855
On March 17 2012 11:35 Shikyo wrote:
Btw guys. Jax dealt 0 dmg before -> Better nerf his damage.


I really wonder how much armor and mres they need for it to be equal... Hmm it was 65 and 25% of bonus ad and ap so even with no ad or ap it was worth like 3500 gold in resources...

To get 3500 gold worth of resistances you would need to make the ulti give... about 120 armor and magic resist? Yeah... Jax nerf.


o shit I forgot about that

yeah im not pleased about that change :<. I've played dozens of jax games over past few weeks and I really like him.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 17 2012 02:44 GMT
#3856
On March 17 2012 11:38 Shikyo wrote:
Another thing: Kennen currently is almost impossible to do anything about solo top, and it's very difficult to outsustain his harrass with anything. Now they just nerfed every single bruiser... Can kennen NOT win a toplane now?


i trashed a kennen with swain @ top lane. Dunno how much a single game matters in that regard tho.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:48:17
March 17 2012 02:47 GMT
#3857
On March 17 2012 11:35 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Morello: Go fuck yourself.

Gimme SOMETHING back if your gonna nerf wriggles. ANYTHING.


i seriously doubt that nerfing wriggles lifesteal will have much if any effect on jungling. As it is, when you buy wriggles, you simply never get even remotely close to dying in the jungle. Not to mention there's no mention of any changes to its dmg, so it won't affect clear speed. The only thing it might affect is some champs ability to solo drag, which isn't that big of a deal tbh, kus you usually want ur team to help you anyways. Ofc, this is purely speculation, but if they only touch lifesteal, and only by a bit, then it shouldn't affect jungle at all.

edit: typo

Its just a matter of CONSTANT nerfs, with absolutely no regard for how this will effect jungling. Sure, you probably wont start dying now, but it is gonna make you lower health than you were at all phases of the game, which is a huge nerf to the overall effectiveness of a jungler. There is a huge difference between 90% health and 80% health, for example.

At least give us the 500 damage proc back T_T.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
March 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#3858
On March 17 2012 11:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:35 barbsq wrote:
On March 17 2012 11:16 Two_DoWn wrote:
Morello: Go fuck yourself.

Gimme SOMETHING back if your gonna nerf wriggles. ANYTHING.


i seriously doubt that nerfing wriggles lifesteal will have much if any effect on jungling. As it is, when you buy wriggles, you simply never get even remotely close to dying in the jungle. Not to mention there's no mention of any changes to its dmg, so it won't affect clear speed. The only thing it might affect is some champs ability to solo drag, which isn't that big of a deal tbh, kus you usually want ur team to help you anyways. Ofc, this is purely speculation, but if they only touch lifesteal, and only by a bit, then it shouldn't affect jungle at all.

edit: typo

Its just a matter of CONSTANT nerfs, with absolutely no regard for how this will effect jungling. Sure, you probably wont start dying now, but it is gonna make you lower health than you were at all phases of the game, which is a huge nerf to the overall effectiveness of a jungler.

At least give us the 500 damage proc back T_T.


I'm annoyed just because life steal is more important on AD carries than it is on junglers but AD's didn't actually get nerfed because bloodthirster stacks no longer all go away.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#3859
Holy shit Lulu looks fucking awesome.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
March 17 2012 02:54 GMT
#3860
Riot keeps pushing Shaco out of high skill-cap and fun AP builds into shitty, easy and frustrating to play against ad builds.
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