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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 17 2012 01:52 GMT
#3821
Don't think I can name a Xypherous champ that wasn't unique and awesome, haha.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 17 2012 01:52 GMT
#3822
Maw of Atmogs?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 01:55:10
March 17 2012 01:53 GMT
#3823
On March 17 2012 10:48 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:43 Ryuu314 wrote:
eh. her ratios and level scaling make it look like she'll probably want to be played as a solo laner like zilean, not a 0 cs support, but that's just me.


Janna is the same way but that doesn't mean she doesn't make a good 0 cs support. ;o
lulu seems to have a lot of utility and none of it needs farm.

the difference is that janna has so much more utility that doesn't require farm. she has an aoe knockup, a slow, a shield/steroid, an aoe heal/knockback. in terms of steroids, lulu has a slow, a silence/disarm, a shield/slow, and an aoe slow/health buff. lulu has a ton of slows, but outside of whimsy, she really doesn't bring nearly as much cc. iunno, i just can't see myself picking her over janna/ali/sona/soraka when i want a support champ.

iunno, from what it looks, it just doesn't seem that lulu will be up to par with other supports when played with 0 cs the same way zilean/oriana is a crappy support with 0 cs.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 01:55 GMT
#3824
On March 17 2012 10:28 warscythes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:27 Shikyo wrote:
On March 17 2012 10:24 Unentschieden wrote:
Thats like saying Janna should be an AD because she gets a BF swords worth of AD from her shield though.

she can give the shield to others lulu cant?


Lulu has a shield too.

Talking about the passive... who cares about the shield? God.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 17 2012 01:56 GMT
#3825
:33333333333 dat lulu W
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 17 2012 01:57 GMT
#3826
On March 17 2012 10:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:48 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 17 2012 10:43 Ryuu314 wrote:
eh. her ratios and level scaling make it look like she'll probably want to be played as a solo laner like zilean, not a 0 cs support, but that's just me.


Janna is the same way but that doesn't mean she doesn't make a good 0 cs support. ;o
lulu seems to have a lot of utility and none of it needs farm.

the difference is that janna has so much more utility that doesn't require farm. she has an aoe knockup, a slow, a shield/steroid, an aoe heal/knockback. in terms of steroids, lulu has a slow, a silence/disarm, a shield/slow, and an aoe slow/health buff. lulu has a ton of slows, but outside of whimsy, she really doesn't bring nearly as much cc. iunno, i just can't see myself picking her over janna/ali/sona/soraka when i want a support champ.

iunno, from what it looks, it just doesn't seem that lulu will be up to par with other supports when played with 0 cs the same way zilean/oriana is a crappy support with 0 cs.


Lulu's ult onto a bruiser seems like a really strong initiation. Not to mention her shield is also a massive attack buff on an AD carry. Like, more damage than Janna shield. Sona/Soraka are super boring, Lulu definitely seems better than both of them outside of lane phase. Just have to see if her laning is strong enough to compete with other supports.
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
March 17 2012 01:57 GMT
#3827
You said "she can give the shield to others lulu cant?"

I don't know how am I suppose to get passive instead of shield out of it? o.O
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 17 2012 02:01 GMT
#3828
On March 17 2012 10:57 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 17 2012 10:48 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 17 2012 10:43 Ryuu314 wrote:
eh. her ratios and level scaling make it look like she'll probably want to be played as a solo laner like zilean, not a 0 cs support, but that's just me.


Janna is the same way but that doesn't mean she doesn't make a good 0 cs support. ;o
lulu seems to have a lot of utility and none of it needs farm.

the difference is that janna has so much more utility that doesn't require farm. she has an aoe knockup, a slow, a shield/steroid, an aoe heal/knockback. in terms of steroids, lulu has a slow, a silence/disarm, a shield/slow, and an aoe slow/health buff. lulu has a ton of slows, but outside of whimsy, she really doesn't bring nearly as much cc. iunno, i just can't see myself picking her over janna/ali/sona/soraka when i want a support champ.

iunno, from what it looks, it just doesn't seem that lulu will be up to par with other supports when played with 0 cs the same way zilean/oriana is a crappy support with 0 cs.


Lulu's ult onto a bruiser seems like a really strong initiation. Not to mention her shield is also a massive attack buff on an AD carry. Like, more damage than Janna shield. Sona/Soraka are super boring, Lulu definitely seems better than both of them outside of lane phase. Just have to see if her laning is strong enough to compete with other supports.

the aoe on the ulti isn't really all that big. it's not going to be good initiation unless your bruiser is already in the middle of the enemy team in which case it's not an initiate. Her shield has better uptime than Janna shield, but the steroid may not be better considering how Pix's autos can be blocked. She has no sustain so she can't compete with Sona/Soraka in that aspect. She fits in Ali/Janna's niche, in which case she's inferior.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 17 2012 02:01 GMT
#3829
From Dan's stream it seems that Pix moves randomly around the champ it's "aiding". I wonder how that could affect using E(enemy)->Q for a sure hit, if Pix can be either between you or behind the enemy.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 17 2012 02:02 GMT
#3830
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/lulu-patch-preview-gameplay-changes

Preview up
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rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
March 17 2012 02:03 GMT
#3831
I hope when they nerf that champ that they nerf the carry potential rather than the utility so they can be a fun support for once.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 17 2012 02:03 GMT
#3832
that item seems like a pretty big problem for burst ap
Carrilord has arrived.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:06:57
March 17 2012 02:06 GMT
#3833
On March 17 2012 11:03 rob.au wrote:
I hope when they nerf that champ that they nerf the carry potential rather than the utility so they can be a fun support for once.

i maintain that with that kit, she's never going to be able to compete with janna/ali/sona/soraka. only 1 hard cc and no sustain doesn't make for a good support imoimo. her ult looks strong, but i don't think it's enough to justify picking her as a support.

@Shikyo: it's 0.5 ratio on ult
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 02:07:42
March 17 2012 02:06 GMT
#3834
o.k. AP Lulu... ulti heals immediately 600 + like 0.65 and knocks people away and slows them. And I don't think it's even affected by ignite...

On March 17 2012 11:06 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:03 rob.au wrote:
I hope when they nerf that champ that they nerf the carry potential rather than the utility so they can be a fun support for once.

i maintain that with that kit, she's never going to be able to compete with janna/ali/sona/soraka. only 1 hard cc and no sustain doesn't make for a good support imoimo. her ult looks strong, but i don't think it's enough to justify picking her as a support.

Who would play her as a support lol

On March 17 2012 11:06 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:03 rob.au wrote:
I hope when they nerf that champ that they nerf the carry potential rather than the utility so they can be a fun support for once.

i maintain that with that kit, she's never going to be able to compete with janna/ali/sona/soraka. only 1 hard cc and no sustain doesn't make for a good support imoimo. her ult looks strong, but i don't think it's enough to justify picking her as a support.

@Shikyo: it's 0.5 ratio on ult

How's it 0.5 if nhat had 94 and it had +63 or something =S
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
March 17 2012 02:08 GMT
#3835
Patch Preview TL;DR:

 Rammus nerfs
Shaco early nerfs but late buffs,
Jax ult change,
Irellia nerfs,
Lifesteal item nerfs,
BT only loses half stacks on death rather than full
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 17 2012 02:09 GMT
#3836
^ Also Powerball Quality of Life fix
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 17 2012 02:10 GMT
#3837
That Jax change sounds like the worst idea ever. Unless the scaling is really low, that is seriously the most retarded thing I have ever heard.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 17 2012 02:12 GMT
#3838
qq Wriggles nerf.

-.-

I build wriggles on like everything.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 17 2012 02:13 GMT
#3839
On March 17 2012 11:10 red_ wrote:
That Jax change sounds like the worst idea ever. Unless the scaling is really low, that is seriously the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

honestly it just feels like Riot realized the Jax remake was a terrible idea and are furiously backpedaling/trying to fix shit by throwing random shit at Jax and hoping it works.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 02:14 GMT
#3840
A typical day at the riot balance team office:

Hey speedclearers are a huge problem and are rendering ganky junglers useless


Hmmmm better nerf irelia
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