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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 16 2012 21:04 GMT
#3721
About the blue discussion, really, many mids don't need blue to shove their lanes and move around if they built a little bit of mana regen. Morgana as an example doesn't need a single blue if played well, Annie as well.
The topic of Cassio seems controversial but even without blue against a blued mid you'll be able to outpush them. Her passive helps as well, then you can still go roaming with a hefty chunk of mana.

I don't know, I play nearly as much mid and jungle nowadays and I usually don't feel like I need blue that hard mid, since most of the mids have insane and super safe pushing power...


On Lulu, I just hope she has a Kokiri skin.
The legend of Darien lives on
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 21:31:01
March 16 2012 21:30 GMT
#3722
I'm fine with giving mid the blue. Unless he's feeding, in which case he's going to die except he isn't going to be feeding the other mid blues. If they are dead when I'm going for blue, I take it, but if they just spawned from a death I'll give it to them.

also the leveling and jungle speed is very different if you can take your own blue, which most people don't care about I guess.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 21:32:33
March 16 2012 21:31 GMT
#3723
I think we've all come to the conclusion now that mid should get priority on blue for the most part(unless you're jungle WW and they're Vlad mid or something like that) unless they're feeding.

Does anyone have thoughts on an AP that could potentially duo-lane bot with Lulu?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 16 2012 21:35 GMT
#3724
Korea really likes LoL

RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 16 2012 21:43 GMT
#3725
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
March 16 2012 21:50 GMT
#3726
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

I don't think anyone actually knows why BW became so big in Korea, so I don't think they can replicate it with SC2 lol.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 16 2012 21:51 GMT
#3727
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

Afaik there's still plenty of BW to watch.

SC2 sadly hasn't been living up to its name. It's not nearly as awesome as BW. Yes I'm stating this as if it was an objective fact.
Not even HotS can get my hopes up
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 21:54:18
March 16 2012 21:52 GMT
#3728
On March 17 2012 06:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=81sFuQC-JRc

Great quote from the clip:
"We can't study too much. Of course we have to study about characters and items. We should learn about the basic terms, rules and so on, but never indulge in it. If the producer gets too into the game, the level of difficulty gets too high. Our target at this time are the beginners or light users. We need to develop programs and set the difficulty level by that."

They seem to really understand their audience's minds and how difficult it is to follow the game at a first watch. Keeping even the producers from divulging into the deeper aspects of the game should help newcomers follow along and prevent them from getting too overwhelmed. Once LoL gets a stronger foothold in Korea, then they can slowly get more and more complicated without fear of turning people away.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 16 2012 21:53 GMT
#3729
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 16 2012 21:54 GMT
#3730
Dayum that clip was cool. Even a shot of Kobe24 in it briefly.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 21:57:54
March 16 2012 21:55 GMT
#3731
On March 17 2012 06:31 Mondeezy wrote:
I think we've all come to the conclusion now that mid should get priority on blue for the most part(unless you're jungle WW and they're Vlad mid or something like that) unless they're feeding.

Does anyone have thoughts on an AP that could potentially duo-lane bot with Lulu?


I would say a more burst oriented ap, but not Sion or Fizz, her lack of a heal makes it to easy for them to be harassed. Usually with Soraka I'll play Ryze or Cass, something that can harass a boatload with the free mana, they would proably still be good but without constant mana the other ad can just put Ryze under tower where he is terrible at farming.

Not to burst people who hate the current meta's bubble, but I think she'll be best with things like Kog/Ez/Corki no actual ap carries.
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 16 2012 21:58 GMT
#3732
Yeah, regarding the blue buff what I meant was that technically it's all up to the jungler's will (if only because he holds Smite). If I'm playing Morgana I'll tell my jungler he can keep the blue if he needs it, if I'm Swain or Ryze I'll ask if I can get blue, not order him to give it to me nor move toward him without saying a word when he starts it, taking it as a given. When I'm jungling Olaf and it's obvious the mid will get destroyed, with ou without blue, I'll keep it for myself and clear at lightining speed. If as Maokai my mid tells me he doesn't need it, I'll be very happy to farm the jungler like there's no tomorrow and still be full mana/health (thanks to loads of passive procs) to gank like a madman at each reasonable opportunity.

But ultimately, if the 0-3 dude comes to me when I start our second blue, with half his opponent's cs without having suffered ganks nor a horrendous match-up, I'll keep it, warn him, ignore his insults because "blue should go to mid omg idiot", and feel good about my decision making when he proceeds to die again as soon as I get to wraiths even before I have the opportunity to go around and help him.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 16 2012 21:59 GMT
#3733
On March 17 2012 06:53 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

?

Lol;

Wordplay, anyway, I should be a bit more specific,

I wanted SC2 to become the top in Korea, yet LoL did. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I love LoL but I'm just so much more passionate about the E-Sports of SC2, the Starcraft community is amazing and I personally found it much more better than LoL. But the games getting outdone by LoL which makes me feel bad for the community because they worked so so damn hard to make SC2 the best of the best of Esports.

I shouldn't really bring up a LoL vs SC2 esports debate so lets not continue it from here, hmm?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 16 2012 22:00 GMT
#3734
On March 17 2012 06:51 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

Afaik there's still plenty of BW to watch.

SC2 sadly hasn't been living up to its name. It's not nearly as awesome as BW. Yes I'm stating this as if it was an objective fact.
Not even HotS can get my hopes up

I agree, there is still plenty of BW to watch, but I kind of want to experience the golden age of BW again. (Which is what I mean from my post.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 16 2012 22:02 GMT
#3735
On March 17 2012 06:52 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 06:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=81sFuQC-JRc

Great quote from the clip:
"We can't study too much. Of course we have to study about characters and items. We should learn about the basic terms, rules and so on, but never indulge in it. If the producer gets too into the game, the level of difficulty gets too high. Our target at this time are the beginners or light users. We need to develop programs and set the difficulty level by that."

They seem to really understand their audience's minds and how difficult it is to follow the game at a first watch. Keeping even the producers from divulging into the deeper aspects of the game should help newcomers follow along and prevent them from getting too overwhelmed. Once LoL gets a stronger foothold in Korea, then they can slowly get more and more complicated without fear of turning people away.

OGN is just so experienced everything about esport...
they are also like 10 times more professional than GomTV
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 16 2012 22:04 GMT
#3736
On March 17 2012 07:00 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 06:51 spinesheath wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

Afaik there's still plenty of BW to watch.

SC2 sadly hasn't been living up to its name. It's not nearly as awesome as BW. Yes I'm stating this as if it was an objective fact.
Not even HotS can get my hopes up

I agree, there is still plenty of BW to watch, but I kind of want to experience the golden age of BW again. (Which is what I mean from my post.

Just reminds me how I totally predicted it: SC2 comes out, BW loses its appeal, SC2 disappoints, everyone is sad.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 16 2012 22:04 GMT
#3737
Lulu seems quite decent as a support, tho ratios aren't up yet.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/lulu-fae-sorceress-revealed
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 22:05:29
March 16 2012 22:05 GMT
#3738
On March 17 2012 07:04 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 07:00 RogerX wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:51 spinesheath wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

Afaik there's still plenty of BW to watch.

SC2 sadly hasn't been living up to its name. It's not nearly as awesome as BW. Yes I'm stating this as if it was an objective fact.
Not even HotS can get my hopes up

I agree, there is still plenty of BW to watch, but I kind of want to experience the golden age of BW again. (Which is what I mean from my post.

Just reminds me how I totally predicted it: SC2 comes out, BW loses its appeal, SC2 disappoints, everyone is sad.

As someone who watches but doesn't play much Starcraft i honestly wish SC2 never came out at this point. :/
It's just no where near as interesting to watch as Broodwar...
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#3739
On March 17 2012 07:04 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 07:00 RogerX wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:51 spinesheath wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

Afaik there's still plenty of BW to watch.

SC2 sadly hasn't been living up to its name. It's not nearly as awesome as BW. Yes I'm stating this as if it was an objective fact.
Not even HotS can get my hopes up

I agree, there is still plenty of BW to watch, but I kind of want to experience the golden age of BW again. (Which is what I mean from my post.

Just reminds me how I totally predicted it: SC2 comes out, BW loses its appeal, SC2 disappoints, everyone is sad.

I think everyone who are BW fans knew that was going to happen . Deep inside if they didn't.

Everyone so sad! Except fans of LoL only.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 16 2012 22:13 GMT
#3740
On March 17 2012 07:04 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 07:00 RogerX wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:51 spinesheath wrote:
On March 17 2012 06:43 RogerX wrote:
That makes me really sad, I always hoped SC2 will rise ever since Esports developed around it.

I should travel back in time and watch some BW.

Afaik there's still plenty of BW to watch.

SC2 sadly hasn't been living up to its name. It's not nearly as awesome as BW. Yes I'm stating this as if it was an objective fact.
Not even HotS can get my hopes up

I agree, there is still plenty of BW to watch, but I kind of want to experience the golden age of BW again. (Which is what I mean from my post.

Just reminds me how I totally predicted it: SC2 comes out, BW loses its appeal, SC2 disappoints, everyone is sad.

which is why Riot is so clever and LoL is so popular in Korea right now... right game and right time, oh yeah
I'm pretty sure Riot plaid tons of money to OGN. which is what is OGN needs urgently, because otherwise OGN will just die like MBC.
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