[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 154

On March 15 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:

But chaox also got caught in the first place, which shouldn't of ever happened. It was just better team comp. And TSM was able to keep up w/ gold of fnatic with just kills.

On March 15 2012 06:37 daemir wrote:
Without shen being in the game I could see that being much more effective.

TSM just got too fed. Still interesting tactic, not something you can pull vs everything, but then again what is.

On March 15 2012 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
What's with this juice thing?

On March 15 2012 00:23 BlackPaladin wrote:


After most scrims where TSM lost recently on stream (from what I've watched) he'd always blame oddone or TRM. Even if he was the one going 0-3 with oddone ganking for his lane consistently. ;o It's just how he is, albeit, not a good quality to have.

Anyway, I hope that Dyrus will be able to help the team more than TRM. At least Dyrus does have a phenomenal late game so he should be a good addition. After all it's nearly all of CDE together.

On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).

Also, the f2p issue, combined with the huge stream income relative to other esports - because of the sheer number of players, the average League player is downright terrible, and maybe even a bit slow. It's much more entertaining for the average League player to watch an "individual" than some mindless robot. Despite how much higher skill cap the current level of sc2 is compared to this game, league still generates way more viewers, just due to the higher player base.

On March 15 2012 00:49 TheYango wrote:

So obviously the egos will have to go.

Right now we're still at the generation of pubstar players. The only way people get known is by playing solo queue, and teams are basically just a collection of solo queue players, which doesn't necessarily translate into being good team players. People have big egos and suck at working with each other.

Once the first generation of pubstar teams shifts out of their prime, you'll start seeing coaching/managing that will eventually scout players not necessarily based on their individual solo queue performance, but also their potential as team players. Naturally, this has to come from coaches/managers that were themselves good at the game (which we don't have yet).

On March 15 2012 07:58 Mondieu wrote:
Just got antoher ban for 1 week because of 1 ragequit and some AD teemo games. I hate the Tribunal so much. Why the hell can't you play and fail? I don't use bad language so it was because of a bad streak of games ( was learning kennen and of course I failed against some champions).

On March 15 2012 08:04 turdburgler wrote:
the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect'

On March 15 2012 07:41 r.Evo wrote:
I know I'm kinda late but I can't help but answer when it comes to stuff like this. =S



That is part of the mindset I'm talking about. If Reginald choses to lead his team every single fault they commit in his view is his own fault. Period. If someone didn't do what he had in mind he communicated it badly. Shifting blame makes him look insecure about his own skills, there are way more effective ways of helping your teammates improve than that.




This part is tricky. While I understand your main point, a trait of a strong coach is the ability to make everyone in his team do their best. When I'm leading a seminar for a company I have to be able to both get the fat 50 year old boss with the big ego and the 25 year old who is scared to death into the same boat. The main point a coach has to deal with is to establish competency in the fields he's hired for (hint: playing the game well is not one of them) and to get players to show the compliance needed to do his job.




While I agree with most of your post the bolded part is a common misconception. Neither a coach nor a manager have to be good at the game they are working with. I would even go as far as saying it is, even when they come from the very top of professional gaming in their era, possibly even a bad trait. Yes, there are exceptions like Boxer, Oov or 2009 - but those aren't good coaches because of their ability to play the game. They are good coaches because they are able to motivate their coachees and their ability to think on a very deep strategic level.

The important parts of the skillset a coach/manager has to offer to his team is very easily transferable because it works on a deeper level and not with the clearly visible. For example it is NOT a coaches job to forge a certain strategy but to encourage his players building their own (hell, there is a reason THEY are the pros and not the coach) and to iron out flaws out of it that the players themselves are unable to identify. The bottom line of coaches who excel at what they're doing should be along the lines of "I am helping you to improve yourself.", not "I am improving what you're doing." - the latter is what clashes with big egos, the former sustains them while changing the direction of where they put their energy.

On March 15 2012 07:58 Mondieu wrote:
Just got antoher ban for 1 week because of 1 ragequit and some AD teemo games. I hate the Tribunal so much. Why the hell can't you play and fail? I don't use bad language so it was because of a bad streak of games ( was learning kennen and of course I failed against some champions).

On March 15 2012 08:18 Keniji wrote:


You obviously have more knowledge than me about coaching so take it as a question.
There must be a reason like 90% of football coaches were professional players. While you dont need to be good at the game (mechanic/skill wise) you certainly need a good and deep understanding of the game to be a good coach (If you want to be more than a mental coach i guess) And while you certainly can get that level of understanding without a former pro player it is a hard task to do so.

On March 15 2012 08:47 WhiteDog wrote:
Wow rainman got kicked from TSM ? That's hella sad, I thought they would rise above difficulties as a team... Sad.