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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 15 2012 00:58 GMT
#3101
so chaox just said that shen going to get nerfed and also riot wants to make mid less of a farmfest
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 15 2012 01:00 GMT
#3102
Since when is TD a damn archon?

New champ = permaban. Last thing we need is a damn yordle running around and turning shit into butterflies.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 15 2012 01:04 GMT
#3103
Meh I get to be a lone Scout at least.
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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
March 15 2012 01:07 GMT
#3104
Can they call it polymorph? Name is just straight up taken from Warcraft. Basically going to have a shaman yordle looks like. Nature based spells with hex.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 15 2012 01:09 GMT
#3105
and the warcraft guys took it from D&D lol, why bother saying they "stole a name"
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 15 2012 01:12 GMT
#3106
Polymorph is no more a coined wc phrase then fireball or hex or Frostbolt.

is this the new support? Cus if so I'd be greatly pleased. She's so cute!! O_O
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
March 15 2012 01:13 GMT
#3107
Xpecial making a swell case for why TRM wasn't good enough:

current state of game, bot goes pretty much even, mid goes even and...top goes even, but we need top that can carry hard

>__>
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
March 15 2012 01:13 GMT
#3108
On March 15 2012 09:20 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 09:15 seRapH wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:11 bmn wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:06 gtrsrs wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:00 arb wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:52 seRapH wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:11 Keniji wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:04 turdburgler wrote:
the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect'


Actually the lol equivalent to "i'm in gold but my macro is perfect" is "i should be 2000elo but i am in elo hell"

What does everyone consider to be decent in lol? Gold? Platinum?

The LoL equivalent of yellow ranks in bw or masters in sc2 (i think?)

Being good at LoL is alot harder than SC2, so id say like 1800 elo = high masters?

bw prob be like c-/c rank id think


yes but what does 1600 elo equate to in world of goo skill? bcuz i beat world of goo and i have a lot of "OCD" awards for perfect completions on levels, what elo does that make me?


Probably about the same elo as having a brown belt in Karate.


More seriously, let's not start this again. There's no meaningful equivalence between LoL and SC2 ladder ranks. About the only meaningful comparison you can make at all is based on %ile of player population (but I don't know the numbers there); and that still doesn't answer anything about difficulty.

I don't really want to compare them, but there should still be a place for the word "decent". Obviously in BW the percentile you'd have to be at to be considered decent is a lot lower because general skill is higher, whereas LoL its probably a lot higher because people are bad. I used the comparison because the word decent is so subjective :X


I think you can quantify decent as in more than 60% of your games, you get >80 CS by 10 minutes and don't lose lane.

But then I had a game(1500 elo) where enemy vayne has 102 CS at 10 minutes, 190 at 20, 3/1/2, but got caught and focused in every team fight.

Mechanics only go so far, gamesense, experience and skill do the rest.


that's like the story of my fucking life.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 01:16:27
March 15 2012 01:14 GMT
#3109
On March 15 2012 10:07 Bladeorade wrote:
Can they call it polymorph? Name is just straight up taken from Warcraft. Basically going to have a shaman yordle looks like. Nature based spells with hex.


No, it's not. Polymorph as a term to mean "shape shifting" has existed long before Warcraft.

On March 15 2012 09:58 Shikyo wrote:
so chaox just said that shen going to get nerfed and also riot wants to make mid less of a farmfest


What? Did you mean to say mid or...? Cause mid is about the last lane that I'd call a farmfest. Especially when that's basically all top lane and bottom lane is. Mid lane is usually the lane you get to see kills in...

On March 15 2012 10:13 daemir wrote:
Xpecial making a swell case for why TRM wasn't good enough:

current state of game, bot goes pretty much even, mid goes even and...top goes even, but we need top that can carry hard

>__>


I'm not watching SotL but I think Xpecial is just trying to be nice with a statement like that. He might as well have said, "we're all even in skill but we want a top laner who's better than all of us."
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 15 2012 01:15 GMT
#3110
On March 15 2012 10:14 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 10:07 Bladeorade wrote:
Can they call it polymorph? Name is just straight up taken from Warcraft. Basically going to have a shaman yordle looks like. Nature based spells with hex.


No, it's not. Polymorph as a term to mean "shape shifting" has existed long before Warcraft.

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 09:58 Shikyo wrote:
so chaox just said that shen going to get nerfed and also riot wants to make mid less of a farmfest


What? Did you mean to say mid or...? Cause mid is about the last lane that I'd call a farmfest. Especially when that's basically all top lane and bottom lane is. Mid lane is usually the lane you get to see kills in...

Eh. I think he's more referring to when both mid laners get blue buff and can just insta-clear waves all day np.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 15 2012 01:17 GMT
#3111
On March 15 2012 09:34 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 09:20 Amui wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:15 seRapH wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:11 bmn wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:06 gtrsrs wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:00 arb wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:52 seRapH wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:11 Keniji wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:04 turdburgler wrote:
the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect'


Actually the lol equivalent to "i'm in gold but my macro is perfect" is "i should be 2000elo but i am in elo hell"

What does everyone consider to be decent in lol? Gold? Platinum?

The LoL equivalent of yellow ranks in bw or masters in sc2 (i think?)

Being good at LoL is alot harder than SC2, so id say like 1800 elo = high masters?

bw prob be like c-/c rank id think


yes but what does 1600 elo equate to in world of goo skill? bcuz i beat world of goo and i have a lot of "OCD" awards for perfect completions on levels, what elo does that make me?


Probably about the same elo as having a brown belt in Karate.


More seriously, let's not start this again. There's no meaningful equivalence between LoL and SC2 ladder ranks. About the only meaningful comparison you can make at all is based on %ile of player population (but I don't know the numbers there); and that still doesn't answer anything about difficulty.

I don't really want to compare them, but there should still be a place for the word "decent". Obviously in BW the percentile you'd have to be at to be considered decent is a lot lower because general skill is higher, whereas LoL its probably a lot higher because people are bad. I used the comparison because the word decent is so subjective :X


I think you can quantify decent as in more than 60% of your games, you get >80 CS by 10 minutes and don't lose lane.

But then I had a game(1500 elo) where enemy vayne has 102 CS at 10 minutes, 190 at 20, 3/1/2, but got caught and focused in every team fight.

Mechanics only go so far, gamesense, experience and skill do the rest.


id say that team fighting is by far the weakest skill of low elo players, which is annoying because if you are behind people want to surrender straight away. ive been outlaned so many times, seeing the other guy with more cs than me, only for him to play team fights so bad. obviously mechanics arent super amazing but its quite suprising how ok at laning low level people can be, atleast in farm lanes.

Yeah, at my shitty ELO (1200~1300) I've won so many losing games, like UTTERLY fucked games, simply because once team fights happened my team fought better. It's why those impossible 4v5 wins are actually possible at this level. People just do team fights bad.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 15 2012 01:17 GMT
#3112
On March 15 2012 10:15 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 10:14 overt wrote:
On March 15 2012 10:07 Bladeorade wrote:
Can they call it polymorph? Name is just straight up taken from Warcraft. Basically going to have a shaman yordle looks like. Nature based spells with hex.


No, it's not. Polymorph as a term to mean "shape shifting" has existed long before Warcraft.

On March 15 2012 09:58 Shikyo wrote:
so chaox just said that shen going to get nerfed and also riot wants to make mid less of a farmfest


What? Did you mean to say mid or...? Cause mid is about the last lane that I'd call a farmfest. Especially when that's basically all top lane and bottom lane is. Mid lane is usually the lane you get to see kills in...

Eh. I think he's more referring to when both mid laners get blue buff and can just insta-clear waves all day np.


Ah, sounds more like a blue buff nerf then. They said they wanted to nerf it a long time ago, iirc they want to reduce the mana regen on it by a lot but keep the CDR.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 15 2012 01:19 GMT
#3113
On March 15 2012 10:14 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 10:07 Bladeorade wrote:
Can they call it polymorph? Name is just straight up taken from Warcraft. Basically going to have a shaman yordle looks like. Nature based spells with hex.


No, it's not. Polymorph as a term to mean "shape shifting" has existed long before Warcraft.

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 09:58 Shikyo wrote:
so chaox just said that shen going to get nerfed and also riot wants to make mid less of a farmfest


What? Did you mean to say mid or...? Cause mid is about the last lane that I'd call a farmfest. Especially when that's basically all top lane and bottom lane is. Mid lane is usually the lane you get to see kills in...

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 10:13 daemir wrote:
Xpecial making a swell case for why TRM wasn't good enough:

current state of game, bot goes pretty much even, mid goes even and...top goes even, but we need top that can carry hard

>__>


I'm not watching SotL but I think Xpecial is just trying to be nice with a statement like that. He might as well have said, "we're all even in skill but we want a top laner who's better than all of us."

Yeah he said mid, I'm just echoing
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 15 2012 01:19 GMT
#3114
Ok new champ is support I think based on this -
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 15 2012 01:22 GMT
#3115
Team Yordle is complete
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
March 15 2012 01:23 GMT
#3116
Suppordle, insta buy.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
March 15 2012 01:23 GMT
#3117
On March 15 2012 10:17 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 09:34 turdburgler wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:20 Amui wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:15 seRapH wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:11 bmn wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:06 gtrsrs wrote:
On March 15 2012 09:00 arb wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:52 seRapH wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:11 Keniji wrote:
On March 15 2012 08:04 turdburgler wrote:
the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect'


Actually the lol equivalent to "i'm in gold but my macro is perfect" is "i should be 2000elo but i am in elo hell"

What does everyone consider to be decent in lol? Gold? Platinum?

The LoL equivalent of yellow ranks in bw or masters in sc2 (i think?)

Being good at LoL is alot harder than SC2, so id say like 1800 elo = high masters?

bw prob be like c-/c rank id think


yes but what does 1600 elo equate to in world of goo skill? bcuz i beat world of goo and i have a lot of "OCD" awards for perfect completions on levels, what elo does that make me?


Probably about the same elo as having a brown belt in Karate.


More seriously, let's not start this again. There's no meaningful equivalence between LoL and SC2 ladder ranks. About the only meaningful comparison you can make at all is based on %ile of player population (but I don't know the numbers there); and that still doesn't answer anything about difficulty.

I don't really want to compare them, but there should still be a place for the word "decent". Obviously in BW the percentile you'd have to be at to be considered decent is a lot lower because general skill is higher, whereas LoL its probably a lot higher because people are bad. I used the comparison because the word decent is so subjective :X


I think you can quantify decent as in more than 60% of your games, you get >80 CS by 10 minutes and don't lose lane.

But then I had a game(1500 elo) where enemy vayne has 102 CS at 10 minutes, 190 at 20, 3/1/2, but got caught and focused in every team fight.

Mechanics only go so far, gamesense, experience and skill do the rest.


id say that team fighting is by far the weakest skill of low elo players, which is annoying because if you are behind people want to surrender straight away. ive been outlaned so many times, seeing the other guy with more cs than me, only for him to play team fights so bad. obviously mechanics arent super amazing but its quite suprising how ok at laning low level people can be, atleast in farm lanes.

Yeah, at my shitty ELO (1200~1300) I've won so many losing games, like UTTERLY fucked games, simply because once team fights happened my team fought better. It's why those impossible 4v5 wins are actually possible at this level. People just do team fights bad.

There's no Elo where unloseable games stop being lost.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 15 2012 01:29 GMT
#3118
Okay, so after reading the thread "LoL takes #1 E-sport spot in Korea" I got a bit curious about the game. I played a few games 1 year ago maybe but there was some things I didn't agree with in the game and that was that.

Anyway, now I want to give it a go again and give it a honest try for over a months period or something, but I got some simple questions.

Which server is the most active one and where do all the serious players play? (Everyone doesn't play on their region server do they?)

You play first "unranked" games where you gain levels for ingame stats and wins(?) to lvl 30 and after you have done that you can start playing ranked games to build on your ELO rank?

Is there a hero or heroes I can buy and be able to pretty much go mid and win the game by my own by good ricing and ganking untill I get good enough rank to play with competent people? I mean like you can do with Nevermore/Soulstealer in DotA/HoN.

Who is the #1 player and team in the scene right now and where can I find reps or stream to study?

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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 15 2012 01:34 GMT
#3119
Generally europeans play mostly on european west server and NA players on the NA server, those make the most sense ping-wise. West and East have same pings but West is significantly more popular.


Good, relatively simple champions for soloing mid and carrying: Sion, Leblanc, Tristana for example

Ehh I'd say Moscow 5 and Alex Ich but that's highly subjective.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 15 2012 01:36 GMT
#3120
On March 15 2012 10:29 Gosi wrote:
Is there a hero or heroes I can buy and be able to pretty much go mid and win the game by my own by good ricing and ganking untill I get good enough rank to play with competent people? I mean like you can do with Nevermore/Soulstealer in DotA/HoN.


yes, a hero like this exists, which is why everyone is 2k elo

you can outplay your opponent and carry with almost any hero in lol
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