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On March 14 2012 03:38 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 03:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is Wriggle's a DoT? It's a proc that does extra magic damage. +450 damage at a time. I consider that a small "burst".
Malz's ulti suppresses both targets, so yes, he can't move. But it's guaranteed damage over time. Wriggle's isn't guaranteed since it's % chance to proc. Mathematically, it's possible to hit Dragon 18 times and get zero Wriggle's procs. How is that a DoT? Because the damn meaning of DoT is DAMAGE OVER TIME. Wriggles increases your DAMAGE OVER TIME. If you want to get SUPER pedantic- Wriggles gives ad. Which is damage. Which means that every time you hit something, you are guarunteed to do more damage, with a passive chance for a crit. Wriggles is a shit ton more analagous to a Swain E that has a possibility to crit than feast.
You have no idea what some terms mean imoimo.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Dot
Yes, Wriggle's increases your damage the longer you attack for (thus, meaning it's great against big baddies like Dragon and Nashor). But that is not what "DoT" means. You're using it incredibly wrong.
Last try: you can get zero proc against Drag. The fact that this scenario is even possible means that Wriggle's is not a "DoT".
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Wriggle procs increase your sustained DPS (on non-champions). Calling it a Damage over Time effect goes against the terminology in every video game i've ever played. The proc is instant and not over time.
I don't think this is being pedantic, pretty sure it is just conforming to standard terminology in video games.
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On March 14 2012 03:38 wei2coolman wrote:
New discussion topic: Non-regular supports that you think can work.
I've been playing fiddlesticks as support, it makes for a decent kill lane. Especially on hard engages. Pretty fun shit.
Also been seeing some Ashe's as support, seemed fairly successful.
Seen some GP support, to some mediocre success. Also, what happened to Taric in lane? He seemed to disappear off the face of the map. No real support changes except nerfs to soraka and sona... which, you would think, would make Taric better. But however, what happened is Janna/Alistar/Nunu botlane became the exclusive supporters.
Out of the current champion roster, I'd say Nautilus, LeBonk, Meowkai, Amumu, Cho, TF, Sejuani could work to SOME extent, but there's no reason to pick any of them over a real support if you wanna tryhard.
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On March 14 2012 03:38 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 03:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is Wriggle's a DoT? It's a proc that does extra magic damage. +450 damage at a time. I consider that a small "burst".
Malz's ulti suppresses both targets, so yes, he can't move. But it's guaranteed damage over time. Wriggle's isn't guaranteed since it's % chance to proc. Mathematically, it's possible to hit Dragon 18 times and get zero Wriggle's procs. How is that a DoT? Because the damn meaning of DoT is DAMAGE OVER TIME. Wriggles increases your DAMAGE OVER TIME. If you want to get SUPER pedantic- Wriggles gives ad. Which is damage. Which means that every time you hit something, you are guarunteed to do more damage, with a passive chance for a crit. Wriggles is a shit ton more analagous to a Swain E that has a possibility to crit than feast. Put it this way Neo: all that right clicking is is a DoT spell that doesnt cost mana that is available to anyone. Buying ad increases the effectiveness of that spell.
Just stop.
A DoT is a SPELL that deals DAMAGE OVER TIME once it has been applied.
Wriggles does its damage instantly.
End of story.
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On March 14 2012 03:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 03:27 Shiv. wrote:On March 14 2012 03:22 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 14 2012 02:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Wriggles is a DoT, not burst. The more HP something has, the better wriggles is. What is this... A DoT is like Ignite. If you walk away from your target, it still deals damage. If you start hitting Lizard and then walk away, Lizard doesn't take additional damage. ... sometimes I don't get you, TD. I'm pretty sure all he was implying is that Wriggle's on objectives isn't used to HERPADERPBURSTBARONINASEC but rather to increase your sustained damage, getting better the higher the objective's HP is. Obviously, the term damage over time is used wrongly here, but if I interpreted his statement correct, his statement is true. I agree that Wriggle's/Madred's are much more effective/cost-effecient against targets with greater health pools. You increase the # of procs you get, the more often you get to attack. Sure. I disagree with any part of Wriggle's being called a "DoT".
I guess he meant that its damage stabilizes over time in that if you hit it 50 times you generally get a stable damage boost whereas if you hit the target only once you won't get the effect... Though I'd call it a critical instead of DoT, but I can kind of see what he means by saying that
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On March 14 2012 03:44 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 03:38 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 14 2012 03:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is Wriggle's a DoT? It's a proc that does extra magic damage. +450 damage at a time. I consider that a small "burst".
Malz's ulti suppresses both targets, so yes, he can't move. But it's guaranteed damage over time. Wriggle's isn't guaranteed since it's % chance to proc. Mathematically, it's possible to hit Dragon 18 times and get zero Wriggle's procs. How is that a DoT? Because the damn meaning of DoT is DAMAGE OVER TIME. Wriggles increases your DAMAGE OVER TIME. If you want to get SUPER pedantic- Wriggles gives ad. Which is damage. Which means that every time you hit something, you are guarunteed to do more damage, with a passive chance for a crit. Wriggles is a shit ton more analagous to a Swain E that has a possibility to crit than feast. Put it this way Neo: all that right clicking is is a DoT spell that doesnt cost mana that is available to anyone. Buying ad increases the effectiveness of that spell. Just stop. A DoT is a SPELL that deals DAMAGE OVER TIME once it has been applied. Wriggles does its damage instantly. End of story.
A right click is a SPELL that deals DAMAGE OVER TIME once it has been applied.
Wriggles boosts the damage it does.
End of story.
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It's sustained vs burst, not dot vs burst. Sustained vs burst, Damage over time vs Direct damage.
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United States47024 Posts
Except DoT has an accepted meaning with regard to video game terminology. T_D is just adapting the literal meaning of the words "damage over time" to deliberately be confusing in the case where people are reading the term DoT and interpreting it with the conventional video game definition.
The fact that you've confused this many people should make that clear.
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This DoT is discussion is too fucking hilarious. Essentially by TD's definition PD is considered a DoT item, because crit chance increases your DoT as well. :O
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Ok, the definition of DoT is a damage over time spell by a SINGLE instance of a hit (Red buff is another DoT). HOWEVER, it was pretty evident Two_Down meant sustained DPS, which was a valid and reasonable response to my post, which implied that Wriggles was bursty (which it kind of is, but that's not the point). The issue was a misunderstanding of a definition that was ultimately irrelevant to his actual point anyway.
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Guys drop the DoT debate. Why was there no new champion released today?
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Phantom dancer is now considered a DoT item..
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On March 14 2012 03:54 Sabin010 wrote:
Guys drop the DoT debate. Why was there no new champion released today?
Cuz Riot aint got their shit together.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
So anything that does damage is a DoT? Great!
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On March 14 2012 03:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 03:54 Sabin010 wrote:
Guys drop the DoT debate. Why was there no new champion released today? Cuz Riot aint got their shit together.
TBH, new champion every 2 weeks is too much >.< 3-4 week per champion is much better, imo.
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United States47024 Posts
Riot should just do some shit where they don't add any champions for like 6 months, and then drop like 10 champions on us all at once.
TBH I think they'd actually make more money that way, because if no champions are coming out, people will be complacent about earning IP. So when 10 champions all suddenly come out, people will go "OH NO, I don't have enough IP!" and buy RP to buy all the new champions.
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NEW DISCUSSION: Lux is awesome. She has the safest range in the game, but can choose to burst as hard as LeBlanc il she wants to get close. Her farming is incredibly easy. Mana issues are a problem, but allievated through either blue buff, or failing that two Dorans/Mana Regen Yellows/Masteries. Essentially, she's a bit less of a lane bully than LeBlanc, but fire most of her burst from a very safe distance when teamfights start. Discuss.
Above: People feel a lot better about buying RP in smallish amounts, rather than spending 75 dollars all at once to get all the new champions. That's sort of the point of their business model, allowing you to gradually spend 10 dollars here and there rather than all at once.
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On March 14 2012 03:58 ManyCookies wrote:
NEW DISCUSSION: Lux is awesome. She has the safest range in the game, but can choose to burst as hard as LeBlanc il she wants to get close. Her farming is incredibly easy. Mana issues are a problem, but allievated through either blue buff, or failing that two Dorans/Mana Regen Yellows/Masteries. Essentially, she's a bit less of a lane bully than LeBlanc, but fire most of her burst from a very safe distance when teamfights start. Discuss.
I think Mog/smashgiz said that he knew a guy with a 10KDA with Lux, but had less than 50% win rate with her. and that's all he had to say about her
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