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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#2621
On March 14 2012 03:56 Roffles wrote:
So anything that does damage is a DoT? Great!

My Soraka does SO much DoT. You don't even know.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#2622
On March 14 2012 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 14 2012 03:54 Sabin010 wrote:
Guys drop the DoT debate. Why was there no new champion released today?

Cuz Riot aint got their shit together.

TBH, new champion every 2 weeks is too much >.< 3-4 week per champion is much better, imo.


So much angst... (not you wei2)

Anyways, why no champion today has been answered a ton of times already. Don't be lazy folks.

Riot's timetable has been delayed (may be because of IEM but they didn't officially say). I believe RiotRara has said that the next two champions are going to be good so Riot is taking more time to work on them.

We are still on the "1 champion/2 week" schedule. I would much prefer 3 weeks per, but Riot needs dem monies.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 19:02:42
March 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#2623
On March 14 2012 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Riot should just do some shit where they don't add any champions for like 6 months, and then drop like 10 champions on us all at once.

TBH I think they'd actually make more money that way, because if no champions are coming out, people will be complacent about earning IP. So when 10 champions all suddenly come out, people will go "OH NO, I don't have enough IP!" and buy RP to buy all the new champions.


and they should all be 6300 ip each

On March 14 2012 04:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 14 2012 03:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 14 2012 03:54 Sabin010 wrote:
Guys drop the DoT debate. Why was there no new champion released today?

Cuz Riot aint got their shit together.

TBH, new champion every 2 weeks is too much >.< 3-4 week per champion is much better, imo.


So much angst... (not you wei2)

Anyways, why no champion today has been answered a ton of times already. Don't be lazy folks.

Riot's timetable has been delayed (may be because of IEM but they didn't officially say). I believe RiotRara has said that the next two champions are going to be good so Riot is taking more time to work on them.

We are still on the "1 champion/2 week" schedule. I would much prefer 3 weeks per, but Riot needs dem monies.


all the buzz on teh internets is riot has overtaken blizzard in most revenue from online games. i think its safe to say they are ok on the monies front ;D

not to argue with their business style because it has clearly worked up till now, but i think if they want to keep it up for years and years they should put more time in to game improvements etc than new champs, i feel like if the 'game' is the same 1 year from now, more people will be bored than if we dont get so many new champs
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#2624
nvm just read a red post the new champion will be out next week with a sneak peek sometime before.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1902322
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#2625
On March 14 2012 03:59 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:58 ManyCookies wrote:
NEW DISCUSSION: Lux is awesome. She has the safest range in the game, but can choose to burst as hard as LeBlanc il she wants to get close. Her farming is incredibly easy. Mana issues are a problem, but allievated through either blue buff, or failing that two Dorans/Mana Regen Yellows/Masteries. Essentially, she's a bit less of a lane bully than LeBlanc, but fire most of her burst from a very safe distance when teamfights start. Discuss.

I think Mog/smashgiz said that he knew a guy with a 10KDA with Lux, but had less than 50% win rate with her. and that's all he had to say about her

Azen Zagenite.
I also know a guy that thinks Karma is viable yet has a negative win/loss with her. No not Smash, Hotshotgg.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 13 2012 19:03 GMT
#2626
On March 14 2012 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Riot should just do some shit where they don't add any champions for like 6 months, and then drop like 10 champions on us all at once.

TBH I think they'd actually make more money that way, because if no champions are coming out, people will be complacent about earning IP. So when 10 champions all suddenly come out, people will go "OH NO, I don't have enough IP!" and buy RP to buy all the new champions.


Great money making scheme, except the backlash would be immense.

On March 14 2012 03:58 ManyCookies wrote:
NEW DISCUSSION: Lux is awesome. She has the safest range in the game, but can choose to burst as hard as LeBlanc il she wants to get close. Her farming is incredibly easy. Mana issues are a problem, but allievated through either blue buff, or failing that two Dorans/Mana Regen Yellows/Masteries. Essentially, she's a bit less of a lane bully than LeBlanc, but fire most of her burst from a very safe distance when teamfights start. Discuss.


Above: People feel a lot better about buying RP in smallish amounts, rather than spending 75 dollars all at once to get all the new champions. That's sort of the point of their business model, allowing you to gradually spend 10 dollars here and there rather than all at once.


Lux is great for a kite/poke team, meaning you must team comp around such a champion.
Lux gets a bad rap for being a bad AP because if you don't have an appropriate team, Lux doesn't function as well in quick fights. Her very low CDs gears her more as a sustain AP than your typical burst one.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 19:06:45
March 13 2012 19:04 GMT
#2627
New idea: someone needs to do an anti-highlight video of high Elo play.

Instead of recording a bunch of pro plays, record a bunch of the stupid shit that happens in high Elo, complete with the chat rage.

On March 14 2012 04:03 NeoIllusions wrote:
Great money making scheme, except the backlash would be immense.

Nah, they just gotta add the right bundle options, and point out that 10 champions in 6 months is actually less new champions than we'd get from the 2-week patch cycle, and more time spent on each one!
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 13 2012 19:04 GMT
#2628
Actually Xerath has the safest range in the game, not lux. Just sayin'
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 19:08:55
March 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#2629
On March 14 2012 03:59 wei2coolman wrote:
I think Mog/smashgiz said that he knew a guy with a 10KDA with Lux, but had less than 50% win rate with her. and that's all he had to say about her



Well the thing is that her K/D Ratio is a lot less indicative of her actual usefulness than on other champions, because it's so bloody easy to steal kills (both intentionally and otherwise) and not die ever. I've gone 7/1 in games where I was absolutely not carrying in the slightest, but just happened to take a fair amount of kills from my teammates who were carrying. Not to say that I wasn't useful, but you grab a lot more kills at the same "feed level" than with other champions.


Lux doesn't function as well in quick fights. Her very low CDs gears her more as a sustain AP than your typical burst one.


Err, my experiences are the opposite. Her CDs are pretty damn large (with the exception of her Ult, of course). But she does a LOT of burst, the majority of it AOE. You can chain spells so that all of them detonate within a second.

The nice thing with her is that you don't have to invest defensively at all later on. You can just build straight Deathcap->Void Staff->Hourglass/Lich Bane/whatever.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#2630
More like riot needs to not release any new champions for 6 months. Then decide if they even need to release 1.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 13 2012 19:06 GMT
#2631
And then run out of money.

And then release Teemo skins to get their money back.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
March 13 2012 19:07 GMT
#2632
But T_D how would riot be able to receive my glorious money I work so hard for?

Honestly, from a balance stand point they need to stop. From the view point of my attention span they need a new one tomorrow.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
March 13 2012 19:07 GMT
#2633
On March 14 2012 03:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how hard people are trolling on this GD thread. This has gotten way to convoluted for my taste.

New discussion topic: Non-regular supports that you think can work.

I've been playing fiddlesticks as support, it makes for a decent kill lane. Especially on hard engages. Pretty fun shit.

Also been seeing some Ashe's as support, seemed fairly successful.

Seen some GP support, to some mediocre success. Also, what happened to Taric in lane? He seemed to disappear off the face of the map. No real support changes except nerfs to soraka and sona... which, you would think, would make Taric better. But however, what happened is Janna/Alistar/Nunu botlane became the exclusive supporters.



Support Orianna can be fine if you're able to deal with her mana regen problems - her W E and R are all very strong support abilities.

Taric's problem is that he has some of the individually worst abilities of any support, aside from his E early/midgame. His heal is huge CD if you're not meleeing, Shatter's active relies on him being in melee (and isn't even the strongest variant of that kind of ability), Dazzle falls off really hard later in the game, and Radiance is just a shitty version of Sona's Q that, again, requires being in melee.

Combine all those things with the complete change in his ultimate from "AoE team heal over time effect" to "strong self-heal" to "like Hymn of Valor, but bad", and you're left with a champion whose only lategame factor is that he gives +30 armor and has +60 armor naturally.

Also, Taric's passive is the worst in the game. I'd trade his for Evelynn's any day.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 13 2012 19:08 GMT
#2634
Lux is great from early to mid game, however falls off considerably in lategame damage due to her long cooldowns (8-10s).

She bursts and does a lot of aoe damage in midgame, and late-midgame, merely because people haven't really quite made their defensive MR items, and are relatively squishy in midgame, compared to her damage out put.

She suffers from the "leblanc syndrome" as I call it, in which if you can extend the game to late game, a fed lux isn't a problem at all.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 13 2012 19:12 GMT
#2635
From a competitive standpoint, any time you'd want to pick Lux, ask yourself "Why not Xerath?"

And Riot built Taric as a support champion. That auto-attack passive, real wtf. They should redesign that...
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 19:15:20
March 13 2012 19:12 GMT
#2636
On March 14 2012 04:07 Cixah wrote:
Honestly, from a balance stand point they need to stop. From the view point of my attention span they need a new one tomorrow.

That's why Riot needs to space out releases a ton, and release a big bunch of heroes at once.

I mean, look at DotA. There are even more heroes in DotA, and there are quite a few boring/lame ones. But the thing is, you go a year without seeing any new heroes, then by the time Icefrog releases new content and splurge-releases like 4 heroes, any crazy contrived ideas look awesome as hell, regardless of how fun they actually are to play.

On March 14 2012 04:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, any time you'd want to pick Lux, ask yourself "Why not Xerath?"

And Riot built Taric as a support champion. That auto-attack passive, real wtf. They should redesign that...

The best part is how the mana restored scales off of his DPS.

If I were to suggest 2 potential changes, they would be:
1) Fix the amount of mana restored to either be a flat amount, level-scaling, or proc off spell damage as well.

2) Instead of instantly restoring some amount of mana on autoattacks, restore a larger amount over time--refreshing the buff when you attack something again. Makes it so that overall you don't get more regen, but that you don't have to be right-clicking creeps to get your mana back--just getting a hit in every now and then.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 13 2012 19:13 GMT
#2637
I feel pretty confident that they won't ever stop releasing new champions. I do think that at some point in the future they'll tone down their champion releases and spread them out several months apart instead of a few weeks.

They can honestly sustain their business model by converting some of their champion designers to skin designers. Release more skins every two weeks and you'd still have plenty of people spending money on this game.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
March 13 2012 19:14 GMT
#2638
On March 14 2012 04:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, any time you'd want to pick Lux, ask yourself "Why not Xerath?"

And Riot built Taric as a support champion. That auto-attack passive, real wtf. They should redesign that...


Well, Brackhar's original design for him was a straight battlecaster - someone who actually spent time in melee combat in lane and teamfights and got a lot of use out of Q's cooldown reduction. Given that Taric's not strong enough to be a solo or jungle now, though, them keeping the passive like that is weird as hell indeed. A better (but similar) passive would just be to make his passive Heimerdinger's aura but for mana.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 13 2012 19:14 GMT
#2639
On March 14 2012 04:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 04:07 Cixah wrote:
Honestly, from a balance stand point they need to stop. From the view point of my attention span they need a new one tomorrow.

That's why Riot needs to space out releases a ton, and release a big bunch of heroes at once.

I mean, look at DotA. There are even more heroes in DotA, and there are quite a few boring/lame ones. But the thing is, you go a year without seeing any new heroes, then by the time Icefrog releases new content and splurge-releases like 4 heroes, any crazy contrived ideas look awesome as hell, regardless of how fun they actually are to play.

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 04:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, any time you'd want to pick Lux, ask yourself "Why not Xerath?"

And Riot built Taric as a support champion. That auto-attack passive, real wtf. They should redesign that...

The best part is how the mana restored scales off of his DPS.

Imo they need to do re-release of champions by totally revamping them.

For example, fix Eve, and raise her IP/RP prices back up.
or actually make jax good again, and raise his ip/rp prices up.

Or something like that. There are simply too many champions that are so subpar in LoL, that they need to make them shine again.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 13 2012 19:15 GMT
#2640
On March 14 2012 04:00 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:58 TheYango wrote:
Riot should just do some shit where they don't add any champions for like 6 months, and then drop like 10 champions on us all at once.

TBH I think they'd actually make more money that way, because if no champions are coming out, people will be complacent about earning IP. So when 10 champions all suddenly come out, people will go "OH NO, I don't have enough IP!" and buy RP to buy all the new champions.


and they should all be 6300 ip each

I think that more importantly, they should introduce some 1950 RP champions. More monneys because the people who buy 975 RP ones won't wait until they play 80 games anyway =)
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