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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:17 Two_DoWn wrote: The major problem with Taric is that inital Taric was good because his ult actually was supporty. It was just an aura, so riot decided that it didnt "feel" good. But it was super useful. Then they remade it into something that didnt fit the character OR the role, hence you have a character that cant really do anything because his kit doesnt mesh. I disagree with this ALOT. His new ult actually makes him viable as one of the more aggressive supports and he has a heal. Just from taking 30 ap + GP10 Quints you end up have ult do 280 at level 1, plus shatter damage. As long as you're any kind of aggressive during the lane phase you can litterally global the ad carry at level 6. Now why you wouldn't just pick Leona Corki combo instead is a completely different story, I just think his ult is in a WAY better spot then it was. Previous Taric felt like he did even less because his ult was just about push, not about actually having relevance in the lane phase. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Not having passives is actually pretty boss. If you think about it, how many characters would actually care if you took their passive away? And for the ones that did, wouldnt you think that something that core to a character should cost something? Not that I think that having passives are bad, its just I'm not entirely sure how happy I am that some characters rely so heavily on something they get for free that has no counterplay. Like imagine if you actually had to put a point in Anivia egg. When do you do it? It makes the spell more interesting, no? Hell, what if all characters scaled to level 19 and you had to dedicate a levelup to unlock your passive. Wouldnt THAT be interesting. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:55 Cixah wrote: I disagree with this ALOT. His new ult actually makes him viable as one of the more aggressive supports and he has a heal. Just from taking 30 ap + GP10 Quints you end up have ult do 280 at level 1, plus shatter damage. As long as you're any kind of aggressive during the lane phase you can litterally global the ad carry at level 6. Now why you wouldn't just pick Leona Corki combo instead is a completely different story, I just think his ult is in a WAY better spot then it was. Previous Taric felt like he did even less because his ult was just about push, not about actually having relevance in the lane phase. But it gave him a SPOT on a team. There was a reason to pick taric. Why pick him now? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:56 Two_DoWn wrote: One thing I have noticed in my recent foray into Dota and Dota 2- Not having passives is actually pretty boss. If you think about it, how many characters would actually care if you took their passive away? And for the ones that did, wouldnt you think that something that core to a character should cost something? Somewhat related, I think the lack of runes and masteries makes the base stats of the hero more distinct. How many heroes in LoL do you actually know the base armor for (and actually care)? Or base AD? | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:57 Two_DoWn wrote: But it gave him a SPOT on a team. There was a reason to pick taric. Why pick him now? For the undodgeable targeted cc. Its a matter of when you are trying to build the team. Taric turns on at level 6, most other have it innate or around level 2 or 3. So long as your lane partner knows when to play aggressive you can capitalize on alot of kills simply because you are pushed to your turret and the run distance is so long. Taric is my best support and it's all about how your carry plays, all you have to do is stun and let the money come in. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:52 gtrsrs wrote: not common, but viable epik i think ran it in a tourney. decent success. don't think it would work any more When Taric still had 1.1 ap on his Q and 1.0 on his E, you could run solo-top AP Taric against Jax specifically as a hard counter, because Jax has no innate sustain and relies on leap strike for harass. Dan Dinh played him a bunch when he was like that, and it worked quite well against Jax and okay against a few other champions just on the strength of trades. Tryndamere is definitely not one of those champions, because Trynd has enough sustain to make it a farm-off, which Taric loses basically every time because he has game-worst (or damn near) item scaling. On March 14 2012 04:55 Cixah wrote: I disagree with this ALOT. His new ult actually makes him viable as one of the more aggressive supports and he has a heal. Just from taking 30 ap + GP10 Quints you end up have ult do 280 at level 1, plus shatter damage. As long as you're any kind of aggressive during the lane phase you can litterally global the ad carry at level 6. Ult does 171 damage with 30 AP, 150 if you don't have any AP before popping it (plus the 30/15 AD/AP aura to him/allies).Compare that to Sona's Hymn of Valor, which does 150 damage to up to 2 targets with no AP and has the same AP ratio, while passively granting a 12 AD/AP aura all the time In any 2v2 fight lasting longer than the cooldown on Sona's Q, Radiance does less damage and has a roughly equal effect on the AD carry attempting to kill people. Except, you know, Sona also has an AoE stun for her ultimate. e: On March 14 2012 05:04 Mogwai wrote: solo taric used to BODY panth. That's right, Pantheon was in the same boat as Jax at that point - without having sustain, the high-armor Taric builds could walk in lane and just crush you like a grape. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:56 Two_DoWn wrote: One thing I have noticed in my recent foray into Dota and Dota 2- Not having passives is actually pretty boss. If you think about it, how many characters would actually care if you took their passive away? And for the ones that did, wouldnt you think that something that core to a character should cost something? You'd have to add the passives into one of the abilities, which can be funky because of scaling issues. Some passives pretty much define how a champion is played: Annie Kennen Malz Morde Ryze Rumble Maokai Pantheon Sona Passives aren't required but they definitely add some flavor to the champions. Personally i dislike runes/masteries more but that's just me. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:00 Cixah wrote: For the undodgeable targeted cc. Its a matter of when you are trying to build the team. Taric turns on at level 6, most other have it innate or around level 2 or 3. So long as your lane partner knows when to play aggressive you can capitalize on alot of kills simply because you are pushed to your turret and the run distance is so long. Taric is my best support and it's all about how your carry plays, all you have to do is stun and let the money come in. Id rather have ad sion. No contest. Philo, HoG, Avarice into Shurelia Randuin Ghostblade. Boom, a fully functioning late game character. Unlike whatever taric is supposed to be past 20 minutes. | ||
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ManyCookies
1164 Posts
well, taric is probably enough man even for pantheon... Pfft, please. You think Taric would be the husband in his relationships? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:08 ManyCookies wrote: Ultimately, it's an organizational tool. DOTA could implement something like Annie's passive, but they'd have to add the explanation to each ability, and it'd be a bit more awkward. By no means is it completely necessary, but it makes a few effects a little clearer and easier to do. Pfft, please. You think Taric would be the husband in his relationships? Hey, Taric used to be black. | ||
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ManyCookies
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:14 ManyCookies wrote: Mooooving on, I've never actually seen AD Sion top. Can he actually lane well enough to be in decent position mid-game? I'd imagine level 1-5 would be rough, though he might win some straight trades with his E. AD sion is literally bedwettingly terrifying once he gets his ult. You just cant kill him. I actually have been meaning to see if I can get his jungle to work for a while now. I have a feeling wriggles-hog-avarice-ghostblade-pd would be very good. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:14 ManyCookies wrote: Mooooving on, I've never actually seen AD Sion top. Can he actually lane well enough to be in decent position mid-game? I'd imagine level 1-5 would be rough, though he might win some straight trades with his E. no, he cannot you will see him in in every dominion and normal game because he's fun, but any normal top-laner will poop on him as AD, his shield might as well not even exist, he has no gapcloser, and his itemization is really weird lategame he gets kited fun thing to mess around with, but not really competitively viable On March 14 2012 05:14 ManyCookies wrote: I'd rather have an AD Sion than Nasus late-game. :ohyou: | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:14 ManyCookies wrote: Mooooving on, I've never actually seen AD Sion top. Can he actually lane well enough to be in decent position mid-game? I'd imagine level 1-5 would be rough. But if he's not much worse than Nasus, I'd rather have an AD Sion than Nasus late-game. I zoned a nasus before. Died to a singed once due to stupidity though. I think with sion as with tryn you have to build less tanky otherwise he just doesn't work. I main sion top but I'm low Elo. I think he's kinda like an AD carry in terms of scaling but I need to test more builds with him. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:15 Two_DoWn wrote: AD sion is literally bedwettingly terrifying once he gets his ult. You just cant kill him. I actually have been meaning to see if I can get his jungle to work for a while now. I have a feeling wriggles-hog-avarice-ghostblade-pd would be very good. Unless you stun him or slow him. AD sion and nasus aren't compareable. Nasus is a tank with a huge slow and also good damage late game (but much less than a trynd/sion/ranged ad), that's why he's really strong. Not in the carry sense but in the bruiser sense. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:20 Slayer91 wrote: Unless you stun him or slow him. AD sion and nasus aren't compareable. Nasus is a tank with a huge slow and also good damage late game (but much less than a trynd/sion/ranged ad), that's why he's really strong. Not in the carry sense but in the bruiser sense. NOT IF I STUN THEM FIRST! | ||
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