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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 13 2012 21:59 GMT
#2701
freezing a lane is where they have a large enemy minion push killing your minions very fast. that way when you last hit slowly (as apposed to just pushing the lane back) the dps being done by the enemy minion wave is > your minion wave + your last hits. so the wave doesnt get pushed back by you, it stays where it is.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 13 2012 22:07 GMT
#2702
Did EU-W just crash?
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
jdobrev
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Bulgaria162 Posts
March 13 2012 22:08 GMT
#2703
it did for me. leagueoflegends.com doesnt work either
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22585 Posts
March 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#2704
On March 14 2012 07:07 Zhiroo wrote:
Did EU-W just crash?


Just entered a game so fine here.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
jdobrev
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Bulgaria162 Posts
March 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#2705
it's ok now
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 13 2012 22:22 GMT
#2706
On March 14 2012 06:57 Mystogun wrote:
This isn't really on topic with the aTaric discussion, but how/why do you pull a lane? It's a term that gets thrown around, but I don't really get how to do it. I'm under the impression it means bringing your opponents minion waves to just before your tower to just farm while zoning and being safe. Am I right about this, and how is it accomplished?

Also, I don't understand how to freeze a lane. Just last-hitting while your opponent isn't still tends to push the lane for me. Am I just not last hitting late enough?


You accomplish it by tanking the enemy minions outside your tower range but on your half of the lane untill your creeps arive. Then you just last hit, and as said above, your wave should die before their creeps. Tank again, wait for your creeps, repeat till you have item X or your team needs you; then just nuke wave.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 13 2012 23:06 GMT
#2707
We need a topic teaching people how to teamfight. Possibly through examples in pics/vids with explanations. People just don't really know when to focus who (lol @ "don't focus the tank", causes so much bad teamfighting), when to go in, when to retreat, how to position, how to shift front lines around...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 13 2012 23:14 GMT
#2708
A spell reflect ability/item would be so much fun, would be really broken though. But fun, 5 people reflecting a karthus ult.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 13 2012 23:14 GMT
#2709
I would be willing to start a thread on team fighting, but I my self do not understand every teamfight. I would go as far to say most "team fights" are going to be 1v2 2v3 3v4 4v5 fights, which should be clear cut, but team fighting starts at lvl 1 in the bottem lane. The OP should be complete with video clips of teamfights in slow motion so there is time to explain everybodies actions and involvements. You also have team comp variables which each look at perfect team fighting differently ie. a kiting comp with anivia mid singed top isn't going to try to fight in the same way a kat mid kennen top would.
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
March 13 2012 23:22 GMT
#2710
On March 14 2012 08:14 JackDino wrote:
A spell reflect ability/item would be so much fun, would be really broken though. But fun, 5 people reflecting a karthus ult.


With that though, wouldn't it be countered by Karthus only casting his ult if he were dead?
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
March 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#2711
On March 14 2012 06:59 turdburgler wrote:
freezing a lane is where they have a large enemy minion push killing your minions very fast. that way when you last hit slowly (as apposed to just pushing the lane back) the dps being done by the enemy minion wave is > your minion wave + your last hits. so the wave doesnt get pushed back by you, it stays where it is.

The best way to freeze a lane is to tank the creeps so they do not run into turret range.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 23:30:19
March 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#2712
A good portion of teamfighting is character and role specific.

At its most basic, speaking in VAST generalizations-

Ad carry should be hitting whatever is closest (actually not a generalization, just a truth)

Jungle and Top lane should each be diving through toward the enemy carries. Which you it is a bit interesting- I tend to go in the order of: Gib burst caster (if combo is still up)>sustained caster/ad carry (priority at whoever hurts more)>burst caster with combo down.

Support wants to be with the ad either protecting or peeling, or just generally making it hard for the enemy team to do what they want to do.

Ap carry wants to either A) drop their burst on as many people as possible (if burst caster) or B) hit whoever is closest (sustained damage) (again, not really a generalization, pretty much the truth).

Obviously that will differ for some champions in each role, or if the game situation calls for something different, but that is generally the way you want to go about fighting.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#2713
Krepo just send yellowpete a message in LoL, that TRM is going to be replaced by Dyrus. Does anybody know sth. about this?
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
March 13 2012 23:33 GMT
#2714
Thanks for all the responses about freezing a lane. It seems like this is something that is easiest to do top lane where you have a bunch of armor and you don't really worry about minion damage all too much.

For pulling a lane, would you be pushed up to their tower and then just back off? And lastly, should match-up specific questions be addressed in champ threads or can I just bring it up here?
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
Vathus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada404 Posts
March 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#2715
On March 14 2012 08:29 BlueSpace wrote:
Krepo just send yellowpete a message in LoL, that TRM is going to be replaced by Dyrus. Does anybody know sth. about this?


Just saw on oddones stream that TRM wants to leave. Also from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/PDYyi.jpg
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#2716
Dyrus is not bad, but he is definitely not better than TRM imho

from what i've seen, TRM have never lost top vs Dyrus

TRM just sucked at playing the heros that he picked in the tournament.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 23:38:15
March 13 2012 23:37 GMT
#2717
On March 14 2012 08:36 emucxg wrote:
Dyrus is not bad, but he is definitely not better than TRM imho

from what i've seen, TRM have never lost top vs Dyrus

TRM just sucked at playing the heros that he picked in the tournament.

You must've never seen dyrus play a real serious game, or he's gotten really bad by not playing/practicing for any tourneys.
I think trm did rather well at hannover actually, esp the corki game despite some weird itemchoices.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 23:39:14
March 13 2012 23:38 GMT
#2718
On March 14 2012 08:36 emucxg wrote:
Dyrus is not bad, but he is definitely not better than TRM imho

from what i've seen, TRM have never lost top vs Dyrus

TRM just sucked at playing the heros that he picked in the tournament.

Again - You realize there is more to the game than just laning right? And then there's the thing that I really don't think Dyrus tries hard in all games
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
March 13 2012 23:40 GMT
#2719
On March 14 2012 08:29 BlueSpace wrote:
Krepo just send yellowpete a message in LoL, that TRM is going to be replaced by Dyrus. Does anybody know sth. about this?


Yeah it got leaked on Dyrus's stream. I guess it's an upgrade but I don't think TSM's biggest problem was the play of TRM. That said if he is really burnt out and not enjoying the game, I guess it's a good move.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 23:41:19
March 13 2012 23:41 GMT
#2720
On March 14 2012 08:37 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 08:36 emucxg wrote:
Dyrus is not bad, but he is definitely not better than TRM imho

from what i've seen, TRM have never lost top vs Dyrus

TRM just sucked at playing the heros that he picked in the tournament.

You must've never seen dyrus play a real serious game, or he's gotten really bad by not playing/practicing for any tourneys.
I think trm did rather well at hannover actually, esp the corki game despite some weird itemchoices.

I donno how is dyrus' performance vs EU top right now, because EG never plays IEM

but at least vs NA top, The Rain Man have done pretty good job at top.

like, if voyboy replaces TRM, it would make sense

dyrus? meh.
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