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. the splash art for NA/EU is actually a lot better imo.edit- new bolts, hearts come out when she tumbles and also when she ults. that looks like it
[Patch 1.0.0.134: Nautilus] General Discussion - Page 7
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
. the splash art for NA/EU is actually a lot better imo.edit- new bolts, hearts come out when she tumbles and also when she ults. that looks like it | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:02 Shikyo wrote: It's not 1v2 because with Soraka your ally has infinite mana so he deals more damage than a single champion normally should... Depends on the laning partner. For an extreme example of this, Ashe/Soraka just became a really awful lane, because both Ashe and Soraka are going to be incredibly weak early and all the mana in the world isn't going to make a difference (in fact, I could already pretty much spam volley 24/7 with scaling mana regen seals, even without Soraka). While Graves could take advantage of the extra mana, his range is low enough that the lack of staying power on Soraka's part is going to make the lane much, much harder. In the end I get the feeling that he's not going to be doing that much more damage than before, because Soraka's mana is going to dry up so much faster, and that gives much less opportunity to be aggressive. Corki/Soraka might be one of the few lanes where it actually works out okay, but aside from that, I'm having a hard time imagining many ranged ADs being passable with Soraka. APs with sufficient range might be able to abuse it, but my gut feeling is Soraka being out of mana for heals so quickly is going to be a serious, serious problem for pretty much any laning partner. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
No longer effects minions (cant just taunt a wave for dmg), ranking it up early has far less value - the ONLY thing that changes is the damage it deals. Maybe leveling shield first will be the way to go given how it synergises with KI strike (Thats what I was doing, seemed to work nicely) The increased cost is noticable, its much harder to get off a second/third taunt in a longer fight unless your pretty careful with your energy management. Also, Rylai's still a stronk Shen item and his ganks are significantly better with the taunt change. I can see FM being pretty hot too. Next game ima try FM + rylais + at/wits/mog and see how that goes :D | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 14 2012 17:05 Shikyo wrote: How are so many people calling Shen imba so easily? His laning is going to be pretty strong sure, and it already was so. Even so, he's going to have a ton of energy problems later on, and basically needs to hit at least 2 targets with his taunt now. His W is still going to be used almost never, and then he's left with a Q and his passive. The taunt AoE is still tiny and that's his only CC and that lasts only 1.5 seconds on a long cooldown. His Q is going to be strong sure, and his early laning might become problematic, but he's still going to be poop in the lategame. Comparing his E to galio ulti is pretty far-fetched though as Galio's has far more range, deals far more damage and lasts far longer, not to mention that the rest of Galio's skillset is far better. Even though his laning is probably going to become quite strong I still don't think that should be worth a permaban or hotfix, as he's still going to be mediocre past laning. E damage's kind of puzzling though, it might make his laning too strong. Should have next to no effect in the midgame, though. You were saying shen neeeds a buff, and said you should play AP shen. Everyone else was playing tank/bruiser/trinity shen and saying shen was very good at least if he can win lane. See the problem, here? I really like warwick and shen should be fun them getting buffed to shits when they didn't need it that much, well, warwick still probably has early game issues but he's even stronker mid to late game. Also: On February 14 2012 15:34 Mogwai wrote: Regarding a couple things from the old thread: 1. Building resists on a bruiser: Aegis - you're objectively wrong if you hate this item. seriously Randuin's Omen - ranged carries like to shoot bruisers as they kite them. this item is good when you get shot and when you get kited and also gives like 80 armor or something stupid like that. and it builds from HoG Wriggle's - gives 30 armor for no good reason and also gives unreasonable amounts of AD and lifesteal and buff control and did you know if also gives free wards? I'm pretty sure it has a hidden active to file your taxes too, I just haven't found it yet Atma's - it's like attaching a mini infinity edge to your chain vest for 1655 Wit's End - gives mres/offense for people who need mres and scale off of attack speed Hexdrinker - gives mres/offense for people who need mres and scale off of attack damage GA - good on people who can reposition/heal quickly on respawn Force of Nature - rarely worth buying early over aegis, but an incredible late game item. Can everyone just save this and read it like the 10 commandments of bruisers in league of legends? So many people are just like herp a derp this item sucks without 10000 hpp//support should get it//prefer to get BT that kind of shit. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:04 Slayer91 wrote: You were saying shen neeeds a buff, and said you should play AP shen. Everyone else was playing tank/bruiser/trinity shen and saying shen was very good at least if he can win lane. See the problem, here? I really like warwick and shen should be fun them getting buffed to shits when they didn't need it that much, well, warwick still probably has early game issues but he's even stronker mid to late game. Actually everyone else back then was saying shen is just about the most useless champion in the game after Evelynn and they actually nerfed AP Shen -,- | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:07 Shikyo wrote: Actually everyone else back then was saying shen is just about the most useless champion in the game after Evelynn and they actually nerfed AP Shen -,- Yeah but the saddest thing is that nobody wants evelynn to be buffed... | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:08 WhiteDog wrote: Yeah but the saddest thing is that nobody wants evelynn to be buffed... I do. Jungle Eve when she still had stealth stun was damn fun. Boots of mobility into triforce ftw. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:10 Slayer91 wrote: I dunno man, when I played shen he was pretty damn strong he just needed a winnable lane and a not too tanky enemy team. Obviously lots of people say every champion that isn't FOTM and got nerfed is totally useless now. Then they get minor buffs and suddenly they are op. Shen's lategame was awful, his laning was actually really strong he just was 100% useless after 10min. Also Shen was like the least player champion at the time, it's not just about not being FOTM unless you count like 15 toplaners FOTM | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:25 Slayer91 wrote: What? With a Trinity and some HP he can burst any squishy to like 50% in the duration of a taunt. His taunt is a really, really good mid/lategame tool. It's like irelia Q but if you land it on a squishy your team can insta gib them as well combined with your burst. Well I just don't think so and as he was played by no one and no one thought he was good that's a pretty good indicator.. I mean I used to do triforce Shen but the taunt really isn't all that good. No damage and short duration disable with a huge cooldown, in comparison to other bruisers he just didn't offer much. With AP he was fun but meh. Oh by the way, Saint building 0 aspd 0 dmg 0 AP and then complaining about the champion not being able to carry =S I really think Nautilus should be built full AP | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:23 lepshis wrote: well sejuani is pretty good in right team comps. Dont know why people hating cc bots. People probably hating on cc-bots cuz they need to rely on their team to actually kill stuff and solo-queue makes you hate relying on others. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:27 Shikyo wrote: Oh by the way, Saint building 0 aspd 0 dmg 0 AP and then complaining about the champion not being able to carry =S I really think Nautilus should be built full AP + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://pigroll.com/img/how_fucking_fascinating.jpg) | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
He has 5 skills that scale with AP assuming his passive does o_O | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:34 TheKefka wrote: I hate this Nautilus guy already.He has 392 move speed with lvl 2 boots and a janna on his team.0.932 attack speed with a wits end. Magic Damage: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+0.75 per ability power) Magic Damage: 30 / 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 (+0.4 per ability power Magic Damage: 60 / 100 / 140 / 180 / 220 (+0.51 per ability power) Explosion Magic Damage: 250 / 350 / 450 (+0.8 per ability power) | ||
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:32 Shikyo wrote: He has 5 skills that scale with AP assuming his passive does o_O His passive has no ratio. It's 4 AP ratios and 2 of his skills require you to be in the middle of a fight for optimal damage. His ratios aren't bad but I question how you could even survive long enough to use them since his shield HP scales off his bonus HP and not AP. Seems like it would be about as useful as AP leona. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Tanky without damage or somewhat damage with no tanky. | ||
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