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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
February 14 2012 09:56 GMT
#101
I'm still waiting on Taric Buffs / Changes / Acknowledgement of his Existence All Taric needs is an actual ultimate, we can work on the rest after!
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 09:59:53
February 14 2012 09:58 GMT
#102
So, any first thoughts on Tidehunter? Erh, Naughtius Maximus I mean.

Edit: Can someone share his numbers please? Wiki isn't updated yet.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 14 2012 10:04 GMT
#103
I don't think you really needed to use that much mana on Soraka, anyway. I found that most of the time I was Infusing my ally and I wasn't even healing all that often. Might just be because I'm a noob but I really think that it's kind of a buff
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 14 2012 10:12 GMT
#104
On February 14 2012 14:48 GranDim wrote:
http://dmmklpy.tumblr.com/post/17397894030/koropho-new-valentine-vayne-skin-yes-please

A little overdone in my opinion, something more subtle would fit Vayne better.

My eyes are hurting.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
February 14 2012 10:12 GMT
#105
It seems like a buff out of lane and a big nerf in lane. Heal costs a huge chunk of mana at early levels.
twitch.tv/cratonz
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
February 14 2012 10:16 GMT
#106
ahri nerf kinda expected, she could be unstoppable when fed.

shen changes are kinda good, he will be better at 1v1 and almost the same in teamfights.
Its grack
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 14 2012 10:21 GMT
#107
On February 14 2012 15:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
On Nautilus:

His cc and skills are highly reminiscent of Blitz.
Both are able to jungle, both are highly disruptive and tanky. I think it's all going to depend on Nautilus' numbers though. That ult not being a skillshot of any kind and him having a bunch more AoE than Blitz probably puts him out ahead overall, but if his ult/shield/passive/E deal decent damage then he'll be way out ahead.


Blitz so good, but kinda hard to make work. Doesn't scale as well as other tops, no sustain, doesn't really warrant wriggles, so you'd want to put him top with a carry jungler to cede farm to later on. I guess he also loses a lot of match-ups, especially against high harass/pushers champs.
Should I try jungling him instead? Or just head to the Blitz thread?

On February 14 2012 15:34 Mogwai wrote:
Regarding WW:
He's going to be better than Irelia late game, but easier to kill early game (not by much). Net big time buff, people aren't realizing how big that base attack speed buff is.


I felt like he was better in drawn-out fights: kills slowlier than her, dies a lot slowlier, especially if focused. People have been telling me that Irelia is one of the counters to Warwick (had to spec MRes quints to make sure to beat one tho), do you think it's going to be reversed with these buffs or is Irelia still superior in lane?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 14 2012 10:21 GMT
#108
Nautilus seems great. Not only his skin but his kit is awesome.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 14 2012 10:37 GMT
#109
nautilus seems awful to me
didn't they just release this champ 2 patches ago and she was called sejuani back then? another no-damage, all-cc "tank"?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 11:19:51
February 14 2012 10:40 GMT
#110
Soraka nerfs too much? I'll have to run some numbers.
Confused as to what happens if nautilus hooks over terrain. Like he's grabbed by blitz midair.
Rammus nerfs deserved, though not sure if enough.
Kennen nerf fucking about time.
Ahri nerf, not sure if needed but they do make sense.
GP laning nerf. Ok. I guess.
Nautilus looks funny. Wonder if you can animation cancel that shit, otherwise his autos really aren't a threat.
Don't care about the rest.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
February 14 2012 10:46 GMT
#111
On February 14 2012 19:37 gtrsrs wrote:
nautilus seems awful to me
didn't they just release this champ 2 patches ago and she was called sejuani back then? another no-damage, all-cc "tank"?


well, Phreak built 0 damage in the video. so yes, with this build he'll probably be a stun bot. but i'm sure you can build him with damage. we'll have to see
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 14 2012 10:55 GMT
#112
On February 14 2012 19:12 Craton wrote:
It seems like a buff out of lane and a big nerf in lane. Heal costs a huge chunk of mana at early levels.

But how often do you even need to heal? I mean, with the endless mana your carry should be be out-harrassing or pushing the opponent anyway, right? And as heal is the only thing you use mana for, and you will have like 15~ mp5 anyway, how big of a deal is it going to really be?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 11:02:33
February 14 2012 10:59 GMT
#113
It's basically 1v2 bot lane with Raka in terms of damage output. It's a pretty big deal when you can't outsustain forever and have troubles trading because you do 0 damage.

Heal costs a truckload in lane, probably a third of your mana pool at lower levels, and without the ability to keep that sustain up over time, you pretty much become useless other than an occasional healbot and manabot until you actually run out of mana now. Now, you actually have to go back whereas before you could probably get away with never going back and only relying on E until whenever you feel like backing for items and wards.
God Bless
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 14 2012 11:02 GMT
#114
On February 14 2012 19:59 Roffles wrote:
It's basically 1v2 bot lane with Raka in terms of damage output. It's a pretty big deal when you can't outsustain forever and have troubles trading because you do 0 damage.

It's not 1v2 because with Soraka your ally has infinite mana so he deals more damage than a single champion normally should...

Also soraka can harrass for free with E when seen fit for some decent damage as well.

For instance Soraka's W mana/heal ratio is waaaay better than say, Sona's and Sona has no problems using the heal while harrassing with Q... mana's not going to be an issue
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
February 14 2012 11:10 GMT
#115
On February 14 2012 18:53 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 18:46 Wetty wrote:
Nerf bat seems to be going around pretty hard this patch, those are some pretty heavy hits to Ahri/Cass imo, also, I feel that the Soraka nerfs are more than Sona's and yet she was the stronger support. Although I do like the change so that shes no longer an infinite sustain.... the increased mana costs (Even on her Q?) without the ability to restore mana to herself will effect her late game pretty badly imo.

Not really sure I agree with the further change to Ahri's ult, and the cass change seems a little bit high on the numbers.
Most shocking was the rammus change - sure, hes strong, but thats not even the area that he needs hitting on... and its a pretty huge hit. 30 arm/mr at max rank? Pretty intense.

I agree with the sentiment that the Shen buffs seem a little overkill, I had no problems with where he was at anyway, now hes stronk.


Soraka's mana costs were reduced, not increased. Ironically, the increase in mana to allies may have just negated the mana cost nerfs to graves couple patches ago in the graves soraka lane.


Sure, they were decreased for the lower ranks. But, the final ranks are higher in mana cost than previously, which is why I think it might hurt her late game if you havent build any mana items/much mana regen. Her early game will be similar to what it was before, but I'd worry about ooming in longer fights late game.
zZygote
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada898 Posts
February 14 2012 11:17 GMT
#116
Anyone else here a bit confused with how to build Nautilus?

Here I am thinking it's going to be the usual Atmogs, but his skills may seem to require AP... The items shown on the champion spotlight might actually work for him, but I'm still a little unsure of how people would play him as if he went jungle.
lepshis
Profile Joined January 2009
Lithuania62 Posts
February 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#117
On February 14 2012 19:37 gtrsrs wrote:
nautilus seems awful to me
didn't they just release this champ 2 patches ago and she was called sejuani back then? another no-damage, all-cc "tank"?


well sejuani is pretty good in right team comps. Dont know why people hating cc bots.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 11:32:54
February 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#118
Can't wait to start playing shen again after this patch.

I wonder how he'll do vs the current top bruisers like gp, irelia, udyr, riven etc.

actually his jungle is pretty fast now judging from SV stream

attack speed + hp for OP Q + ki strike spam.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 14 2012 11:30 GMT
#119
sexy vayne skin much better than her other crappy skins imo. tempted to buy....
BW -> League -> CSGO
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 11:44:57
February 14 2012 11:37 GMT
#120
Saint playing WW now.

Looks like his sustain is a little bit lower with autoattacks, but his clear speed is higher. Sounds fair. I wonder how he fares in lane now.

His life steal definitely looks lower than before. Q still is great for sustain, but we all know WW's mana problems. Just getting a vamp would probably be enough for sustain, but if you're already getting vamp, why not get Wriggle's? Maybe you could build it into Zeke's? WW scales great with AS/Life steal, so that might be a possibility.

Now that I think about it, Shen jungle will be pretty strong. Esp because you can't go counterjungle him. He'll taunt you and you'll die.
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