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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 29 2012 04:34 Two_DoWn wrote: Oh cmon, rumble hardly qualifies for asshole of champion design. Vlad and Yorick are WAY worse. rumble's an asshole, but i def think yorick shoulda been on that list | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 29 2012 04:29 gtrsrs wrote: yeah, this anyone can beat anyone with a low enough skill level. when champs are played to their potential at high levels, however, nidalee is pretty much peerless in top lane v melee champs. i think kennen stands a chance against her, but then again, kennen is another bullshit top laner with no counters. of everyone that you guys are postulating, i think riven might MIGHT have been able to draw against nidalee before riven's last change. i just don't see it any more though list of bullshit top laners: rumble nidalee kennen vladimir ryze surprise surprise they're all ranged or rumble, the asshole of champion design rumble's really not that bad. I really used to hate that fucker, but seriously, you can trade favorably with him with Wu and Irelia and he just generally seems to get ruined by competent ranged tops. nidalee's pretty bullshit, but I think that Irelia and Wu have reasonable matchups vs. her and I think Pantheon is a soft counter. around the same time I got over rumble, I got over Kennen. it actually doesn't seem that hard to trade well against him so long as you don't eat damage from the neutral position for no reason. vlad's an asshat, but is pretty weak vs. burst laners with the capability to sustain burst cycles that put meaningful damage on him and 100->0 combo laners. he is bullshit in all lanes if he gets to level 9 + WotA without falling behind, but so long as you're not trying to play GP vs. him or something it doesn't feel that bad. ryze loses to Wu and Jarvan ffs, lol. I dunno, I think Ryze top is blown out of proportion. he's good vs. the really bulky sustain assholes with no gap closer, but he has so much trouble vs. good gap closers. you forgot yorick, yorick is utter bullshit and you pretty much have to play udyr, irelia, or xin vs. him IMO. | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 29 2012 04:37 AsianEcksDragon wrote: No one taught me to jungle. I've been doing it since season 1. I just feel like ganking isn't worth as much as it used to be compared to counterjungling, clearing wards and controlling objectives. In fact, I feel like oracle is worth it most of the time because bot is warded 90% of the time and a lot of supports don't time them like they should. Even lane ganking is impossible because the lane brush tends to be warded as well. And yes, I've been stacking dblade on Lee Sin too. His late game is really lacking anyway so I like to maximize his early game power. Although, I admit that I dont have much experience with Maokai. I bought him recently but never had a chance to play him competitively. I mean, that's fine with champions that have design that makes them excel at that like Udyr and Shyvana, but trying to do that with Lee Sin just seems kinda pointless. And just because Lee Sin's lategame is a bit weaker doesn't mean you have to completely resign yourself to a slight power boost in early game and throw away your lategame. Lee Sin still has his uses in the lategame if he has some decent items. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 29 2012 04:40 barbsq wrote: rumble's an asshole, but i def think yorick shoulda been on that list yeah, forgot yorick. he's bad champ design too and yeah, vlad is 100% bullshit too, but i think vlad is still only second to rumble rumble has spammable skills that (a) make him impossible to close the gap on (harpoon), (b) make his sustained dps higher than practically any champ at low levels (flamethrower), (c) a shield that gives movespeed and makes him nigh impossible to gank (d) allow him to spec completely defensively and still out-dps most champs (e) GET BETTER AS YOU USE THEM MORE. like imagine if vlad's Q did double damage after you used it 5 times in a 7 second time period lol. fkretarded | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23379 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:04 Slayer91 wrote: Ì get the feeling gtrsrs played against rumble once and lost and now thinks he's broken. If you lane versus him like 10 times in a row he's not scary at all any more. Rumble is hard to play. But laning against a good rumble as quite a few characters feels REAL shitty, especially since once he gets a little bit ahead of you its ggs~ | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
If you are playing someone who should beat/be even with him but you play them wrong he will CRUSH you just as hard as someone he normally beats. I honstly cant think of any other champion who can just smash people as hard as rumble can if you play the matchup wrong/pick into a poor matchup. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:04 Slayer91 wrote: Ì get the feeling gtrsrs played against rumble once and lost and now thinks he's broken. If you lane versus him like 10 times in a row he's not scary at all any more. i have laned against rumbles dozens or even hundreds of times in practices and ranked games, and he is completely broken in every way as soon as he gets even slightly ahead of you, he goes from harassing the shit out of you and forcing you off creeps with one flamethrower, to completely killing you with 1 flamethrower. even if he's not ahead of you, as soon as he gets revolver, he's not gonna ever fall behind. and he scales better than about any champ in the game. rumble is a piece of shit | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Btw did you know that Yorick ghoul heals him based on the dmg the ghoul deals BEFORE resistances? so even if shen has 400 armor and your ghoul only deals like 10 dmg to him, you're still going to heal for the ~80 hp or whatever. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:11 gtrsrs wrote: i have laned against rumbles dozens or even hundreds of times in practices and ranked games, and he is completely broken in every way as soon as he gets even slightly ahead of you, he goes from harassing the shit out of you and forcing you off creeps with one flamethrower, to completely killing you with 1 flamethrower. even if he's not ahead of you, as soon as he gets revolver, he's not gonna ever fall behind. and he scales better than about any champ in the game. rumble is a piece of shit lane against him with this setup: WuKong 9/14/7 ArPen, Armor, MRes, 2 HP Regen/1 MRes open boots + 3, wait for a 4th if your team can afford it Trade with him starting at level 2 on every EQ CD and zone yourself off creeps when EQ are on CD. Repeat until he is zoned, then get your farm. For items, go double dblade to follow up, then either get wriggles or brutalizer, followed by phage -> Frozen Mallet or phage -> bloodthirster, before tanking out. Get your treads when it seems prudent. played the matchup a number of times and it feels ezpz every time. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:17 Mogwai wrote: lane against him with this setup: WuKong 9/14/7 ArPen, Armor, MRes, 2 HP Regen/1 MRes open boots + 3, wait for a 4th if your team can afford it Trade with him starting at level 2 on every EQ CD and zone yourself off creeps when EQ are on CD. Repeat until he is zoned, then get your farm. For items, go double dblade to follow up, then either get wriggles or brutalizer, followed by phage -> Frozen Mallet or phage -> bloodthirster, before tanking out. Get your treads when it seems prudent. played the matchup a number of times and it feels ezpz every time. ok, i'll play this matchup tonight against SG Victorious, a rumble main, and get some feedback from him ty | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23379 Posts
On February 29 2012 05:11 gtrsrs wrote: i have laned against rumbles dozens or even hundreds of times in practices and ranked games, and he is completely broken in every way as soon as he gets even slightly ahead of you, he goes from harassing the shit out of you and forcing you off creeps with one flamethrower, to completely killing you with 1 flamethrower. even if he's not ahead of you, as soon as he gets revolver, he's not gonna ever fall behind. and he scales better than about any champ in the game. rumble is a piece of shit Why did all the players who played rumble before stopped playing him then? o.O Never had problems with rumble who care's if he zones you off creeps with 1 flamethrower you just don't creep until he pushes to tower. As long as you have a jungler that doesn't let him harass you at tower enough for their jungle to tower dive you its k. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
edit: oh wait... they seem to be winning right now -.- | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Also, you guys think that buffs not showing on leblanc, wukong, and shaco clones will ever be fixed? Obviously arguable if this even is a bug. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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