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On February 27 2012 00:32 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 23:36 Slayer91 wrote:On February 26 2012 23:20 Shikyo wrote:On February 26 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
I have the replays, there were 4 ranked 5's on a new team so I trolled those games but the other ones are legit I sort out a writeup in the ierlia and udyr threads in you like but I'm playing go4troll atm.
I wasn't trying to attention whore btw, I don't see the reason of trying to improve champs 1 by 1 when you can just play the most fun one and concentrate on that, that way you don't have to constantly relearn the role for different champs. No reason until you're playing in a competitive team(Or especially if playing with just a semicasual team with your buddies and youre the best player by far) and then get banned out Difference is getting a high level on 1 champ makes your off champs better by default so you don't need to train them as hard. Every time you play a new champ you have to process all the intricacies of the new champ as well as of play in general so it's a less efficient improvement method. Also you have to have different playstyles for champs so it means you don't know when certani styles are working or certain champs are working for you. For example, flash is probably an extremely high level zerg player, probably better than any foreign player ever but he got to his level by only playing terran and practicing offraces minimally. SC2 has 3 races. LoL has close to 100 heroes. Believe me, if you're awesome with Ryze, it won't make good with Cassio :p
You think some random guy who is over 2k with 150 ryze games couldn't go into a 1500 game with cass and carry?
Champions in the same role tend to be similar, races in sc2 are WAY different, each champ only has 4 abilities after all.
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Does anyone know if rabadon's +30% also works on aura ap (wota)?
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The +30% applies to all sources of AP including elixers and buffs
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On February 27 2012 01:27 Juicyfruit wrote:
Nope, why would it.
Whaaat? Source?
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On February 27 2012 00:54 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 00:32 mr_tolkien wrote:On February 26 2012 23:36 Slayer91 wrote:On February 26 2012 23:20 Shikyo wrote:On February 26 2012 23:01 Slayer91 wrote:
I have the replays, there were 4 ranked 5's on a new team so I trolled those games but the other ones are legit I sort out a writeup in the ierlia and udyr threads in you like but I'm playing go4troll atm.
I wasn't trying to attention whore btw, I don't see the reason of trying to improve champs 1 by 1 when you can just play the most fun one and concentrate on that, that way you don't have to constantly relearn the role for different champs. No reason until you're playing in a competitive team(Or especially if playing with just a semicasual team with your buddies and youre the best player by far) and then get banned out Difference is getting a high level on 1 champ makes your off champs better by default so you don't need to train them as hard. Every time you play a new champ you have to process all the intricacies of the new champ as well as of play in general so it's a less efficient improvement method. Also you have to have different playstyles for champs so it means you don't know when certani styles are working or certain champs are working for you. For example, flash is probably an extremely high level zerg player, probably better than any foreign player ever but he got to his level by only playing terran and practicing offraces minimally. SC2 has 3 races. LoL has close to 100 heroes. Believe me, if you're awesome with Ryze, it won't make good with Cassio :p You think some random guy who is over 2k with 150 ryze games couldn't go into a 1500 game with cass and carry? Champions in the same role tend to be similar, races in sc2 are WAY different, each champ only has 4 abilities after all.
the problem with this is that if you get to 2k+ with ryze and try to practice cassiopeia you're gonna get pooped on  (you'd need a smurf to practice your cassiopeia on for ranked games)
i get what slayer91 is saying though, if you're like 1400 then playing 1 champion/1 role to 1700 will probably improve your play a lot (overall) because you experience a lot of situational things that the better players (that you're being matched with) do differently that are more efficient/safer/etc
though tbh i think this style of playing (only 1 role/champion etc) works a lot better on EU than it does on NA (correct me if im wrong slayer91). on EU it seems like everyone specializes significantly more in solo queue, whereas in NA people kinda just play whatever (so you're required to be able to play most roles proficiently).
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You are making random assumptions on server differences. If everyone specialized then if you had 3 jungle only players you'd be screwed anyway. Just tends that if you're something like jungle or support main you'll get that role like 75% of the games since it's not very popular.
You'll get pooped on but you'll still be a better player, that's all that matters. If you drop 100 elo palying only cass you'll get it back again much quicker.
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I've been playing irelia vs rumble lately on both sides and I've concluded that there's no way for rumble to win that matchup. Unless irelia bends over and plays passive which most do..
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lol what i meant about more specialized roles on EU is like...say u get queued with like ocelote and hes first pick, it's not rly likely that he's going to play jungle or bot or w/e. on the other hand on NA if u get queued with hotshotgg and he's first pick, he's pretty likely to just trollpick mid or whatever. i guess it's just a sense of NA's not rly using soloq as "real" practice and more just entertainment value
(that's what i meant, but i didnt specify clearly the meaning earlier; my bad)
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i think another thing that slayer knows but hasn't stated is that if you play at a higher level with a given champion you will have more opportunities to see examples of optimal play of other champions. i.e. if you main ryze you will see cass go against you (as a counterpick etc.) and see how she plays with an advantage, or from a disadvantage if she gets ganked early etc.
if you specialize in jungle, this is even more so for lanes as you will see a greater variety of lanes and their interactions as you attempt to gank them
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Anyone interested in playing some ranked duo games?
I was at 1200 a few games ago, but I think I'm somewhere around 1120 now, message me on LoL NA "MasqLB"
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On February 27 2012 01:38 Cloud wrote:
I've been playing irelia vs rumble lately on both sides and I've concluded that there's no way for rumble to win that matchup. Unless irelia bends over and plays passive which most do..
Really depends. Have your jungler camp top early, then laugh as you see her never getting near Wit's End because she can't farm with you being slightly ahead. The lance completely turns once she gets Wit's and ideally a pair of Mercs, but before that, Rumble poops on her.
But I think we should discuss that in the Irelia or Rumble thread.
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On February 27 2012 01:48 Navi wrote:
i think another thing that slayer knows but hasn't stated is that if you play at a higher level with a given champion you will have more opportunities to see examples of optimal play of other champions. i.e. if you main ryze you will see cass go against you (as a counterpick etc.) and see how she plays with an advantage, or from a disadvantage if she gets ganked early etc.
if you specialize in jungle, this is even more so for lanes as you will see a greater variety of lanes and their interactions as you attempt to gank them
The only thing maining jungle teaches you is that no matter who is SUPPOSED to win a lane, your team loses.
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On February 27 2012 01:49 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 01:48 Navi wrote:
i think another thing that slayer knows but hasn't stated is that if you play at a higher level with a given champion you will have more opportunities to see examples of optimal play of other champions. i.e. if you main ryze you will see cass go against you (as a counterpick etc.) and see how she plays with an advantage, or from a disadvantage if she gets ganked early etc.
if you specialize in jungle, this is even more so for lanes as you will see a greater variety of lanes and their interactions as you attempt to gank them The only thing maining jungle teaches you is that no matter who is SUPPOSED to win a lane, your team loses.
i.e. how2 counterqq to deal with all the qq u have to deal with
:r
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Which team did TSM just lose to? and dat ashe man, 571 cs rofl.
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On February 27 2012 01:49 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 01:48 Navi wrote:
i think another thing that slayer knows but hasn't stated is that if you play at a higher level with a given champion you will have more opportunities to see examples of optimal play of other champions. i.e. if you main ryze you will see cass go against you (as a counterpick etc.) and see how she plays with an advantage, or from a disadvantage if she gets ganked early etc.
if you specialize in jungle, this is even more so for lanes as you will see a greater variety of lanes and their interactions as you attempt to gank them The only thing maining jungle teaches you is that no matter who is SUPPOSED to win a lane, your team loses.
The only thing that jungle taught me is that no matter what is happening it's always jungler's fault
EDIT: and i really like T_D's 3step guide below my post
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On February 27 2012 01:53 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 01:49 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 27 2012 01:48 Navi wrote:
i think another thing that slayer knows but hasn't stated is that if you play at a higher level with a given champion you will have more opportunities to see examples of optimal play of other champions. i.e. if you main ryze you will see cass go against you (as a counterpick etc.) and see how she plays with an advantage, or from a disadvantage if she gets ganked early etc.
if you specialize in jungle, this is even more so for lanes as you will see a greater variety of lanes and their interactions as you attempt to gank them The only thing maining jungle teaches you is that no matter who is SUPPOSED to win a lane, your team loses. i.e. how2 counterqq to deal with all the qq u have to deal with :r
Which is why I have come up with this handy 3 step guide to decide whose fault it is if you die in lane:
1v1: Entirely laner's fault. You should never die in a 1v1.
Jungle gank- no ward: Why didnt you have a ward, you deserved to die.
Jungle gank- warded: You died even though it was warded? REALLY?
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On February 27 2012 01:31 Kaniol wrote:Whaaat? Source?
Whoops, misread the question. Just got up ftl. My bad.
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As a jungler just starting to focus on ranked (1419 highest rating so far, so nothing high level), the massive walls of QQ every game are a huge issue for me. I find that in ranked, way more than in organised play with friends or in normal games, I spend a huge amount of time trying to help lanes because people are always asking for help or blaming me if they get behind. Consequently I get behind in cs/level compared to the lanes and enemy jungle, and if it's a longer game I become relatively useless, especially on champs like warwick where I don't normally buy gp10s.
For people who've successfully raised their ELO through jungling, is the best approach to just completely ignore what people say and focus on being decently farmed and only help lanes if they look gankable, or should I be spending my time trying to babysit lanes and hope they win and can carry the game?
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On February 27 2012 02:10 Gondlem wrote:
As a jungler just starting to focus on ranked (1419 highest rating so far, so nothing high level), the massive walls of QQ every game are a huge issue for me. I find that in ranked, way more than in organised play with friends or in normal games, I spend a huge amount of time trying to help lanes because people are always asking for help or blaming me if they get behind. Consequently I get behind in cs/level compared to the lanes and enemy jungle, and if it's a longer game I become relatively useless, especially on champs like warwick where I don't normally buy gp10s.
For people who've successfully raised their ELO through jungling, is the best approach to just completely ignore what people say and focus on being decently farmed and only help lanes if they look gankable, or should I be spending my time trying to babysit lanes and hope they win and can carry the game?
It depends on how you want to win. IMO the only way you can effectively raise ELO with a babysit style is to duo with someone you trust. Its WAY to unreliable to actually win consistently that way solo.
Personally, I find ignoring people and farming the best route. That doenst mean never gank, but it does mean that you actually get good at identifying which ganks you can convert and which ones you cannot.
But in either case, your goal is ALWAYS to maximize your own farm. Even if you have to babysit a lane your thought should not be "how do I help this lane win." It should be "how much time can I safely spend not farming to help."
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