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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 08:39:09
February 25 2012 08:28 GMT
#2841
I'm just gonna randomly throw this out here:

What's the best defensive seal for an AP mid? Armor or HP/lvl?
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 25 2012 08:31 GMT
#2842
I don't think people normally get hp/lvl.
Stats that are per level on runes don't help as much until late game, but you want runes to kick in as early as possible so you can win lane. I use armor but it's probably not the best choice for laning against another AP.
Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 08:38:30
February 25 2012 08:35 GMT
#2843
Hm fair enough, I just find MP5 to be rather meh cause usually you have to be conservative with your mana anyway until blue.

Edit: hp/lvl equalizes with flat hp at lv5 so imagine it would be the more common choice if someone wanted that
In the Emperor we trust
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 25 2012 08:35 GMT
#2844
On February 25 2012 17:07 Bwaaaa wrote:
I really want to find out if fiora can be built like on hit Warwick. 140% free attack speed and a ult that procs wits and madreds 6 times has got to be fun coupled with either tankyness or flat ad(wuju style).

considering how it seems that on-hit isn't diminished going for some on-hit build could lead to some pretty hilarious results. Wit's End+Bloodrazor = 210 dmg from Wit's and 20% of your opponent's HP before resists in addition to the base damage of 1060 lololol.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 25 2012 08:35 GMT
#2845
On February 25 2012 17:28 midnight.tokyo wrote:
I'm just gonna randomly throw this out here:

What's the best defensive seal for an AP mid? Armor of HP/lvl?


I use armor for melee APs like Sion and Kassadin and Kennen and Health for ranged ones.

(I know Kennen isn't melee but he does get in your face like a melee)
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 08:47:36
February 25 2012 08:44 GMT
#2846
On February 25 2012 17:28 midnight.tokyo wrote:
I'm just gonna randomly throw this out here:

What's the best defensive seal for an AP mid? Armor or HP/lvl?


I feel like for most AP carries going AP/lvl seals is a lot better than either of those choices. Armor isn't going to help much early game in mid and neither is HP/lvl. HP/lvl can probably catch up later and be more useful but will usually be, imo, less useful than just AP/lvl seals. Note that if you go solo top with like Vlad, Kennen, Swain, or whatever that armor seals are probably gonna be your most solid bet and that with any of those three champs I think defensive seals makes a lot more sense. But with a large number of AP carries I'd rather just run all damage runes. Just my two cents.

edit:
bigfatjiji runs spellpen red, flat AP quint, AP/lvl yellows, AP/lvl blues on most of his AP carries.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 25 2012 08:54 GMT
#2847
Does anyone have huge problems getting to see their ranked stats? Like no champions show up until you try like 2 million times?
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 25 2012 08:56 GMT
#2848
On February 25 2012 17:54 HazMat wrote:
Does anyone have huge problems getting to see their ranked stats? Like no champions show up until you try like 2 million times?


yes, it's a bug related to this patch
i assume it will be fixed next patch
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 25 2012 08:59 GMT
#2849
On February 25 2012 17:56 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 17:54 HazMat wrote:
Does anyone have huge problems getting to see their ranked stats? Like no champions show up until you try like 2 million times?


yes, it's a bug related to this patch
i assume it will be fixed next patch

I assume in 4 patches.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 25 2012 11:57 GMT
#2850
The splash art for Fiora is... well, the decorum is nice. But the pose and look of the champ is really meh. Whatever, I'd already got Yi to master before I'm interested in another melee carry.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 25 2012 12:14 GMT
#2851
On February 25 2012 20:57 Alaric wrote:
The splash art for Fiora is... well, the decorum is nice. But the pose and look of the champ is really meh. Whatever, I've already got Yi to master before I'm interested in another melee carry.

Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 25 2012 12:23 GMT
#2852
Who do you guys feel is the champion who falls of most early to lategame?

I really don't feel like Leblanc falls of nearly as hard as people say, her burst and mobility is obscene all the time, and with an ult on 20s cd she has consistent damage output.

Panth also falls off a bit, but if you don't just stack BT's and get some bruiser gear you can still do good+ult is great for split pushing.

I think AP Sion is the worst falloff. You are just a king early and mid running around blasting people, then when teamfighting starts you cant get to their squishies and your shield gets popped along with 75% of your damage, leaving you useless and squishy until your stuff comes off CD. It is horrible.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
February 25 2012 12:31 GMT
#2853
LB doesn´t fall off in terms of damage true but she still can´t do her job properly lategame. She needs to combo a single person which is VERY difficult for her in the context of a teamfight.

Fiona is the third melee carry after Yi and Tryndamere. She might be good since she avoids Yis core failings: AP gimmick and killreliance for his ult.
Ryrk
Profile Joined May 2011
United States82 Posts
February 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#2854
Renekton comes to mind. Big guy who eats anything in his lane slowly morphing to a pair of Crocs.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2012 12:56 GMT
#2855
Many would say that Yorick falls off a cliff as soon as the opponent can out-sustain his harrass(aka wriggles)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 13:06:19
February 25 2012 13:05 GMT
#2856
On February 25 2012 16:22 red_ wrote:What does remain to be seen is if you can be cc'd out of the ult,

Instead, her Dance of Death moves her from target to target at light speed, making her so fast that no spell or weapon can lay a hand on her during its duration.

( from http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/fiora-grand-duelist-revealed )

I hate theory crafting unreleased champions but if you're going to do it you might as well read all the information given to you. That's how the hype machine works, right?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2012 13:28 GMT
#2857
pretty clearly it's the same as juggernaut ulti aka full invulnerability during it
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 25 2012 13:28 GMT
#2858
On February 25 2012 21:23 sob3k wrote:
Who do you guys feel is the champion who falls of most early to lategame?

I really don't feel like Leblanc falls of nearly as hard as people say, her burst and mobility is obscene all the time, and with an ult on 20s cd she has consistent damage output.

Panth also falls off a bit, but if you don't just stack BT's and get some bruiser gear you can still do good+ult is great for split pushing.

I think AP Sion is the worst falloff. You are just a king early and mid running around blasting people, then when teamfighting starts you cant get to their squishies and your shield gets popped along with 75% of your damage, leaving you useless and squishy until your stuff comes off CD. It is horrible.

AP Sion falls off if you build him bad. But AP Sion with DFG, Rabadon, and Lich bane is a giant pain in the a**. He deals absurd amounts of damage, is very hard to kill, and after that he can go Phantom dancer and transition to hybrid.

He doesn't have a godlike late game but it's nothing compared to a Garen, Eve, Kat, ...
The legend of Darien lives on
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 25 2012 13:31 GMT
#2859
holy balls was anyone watching Froggen's TF on stream just now? His team was totally fucked and he managed to pull a win out with patient backdooring and split pushing, great strats and good work from his team not getting engaged on 4v5 while he was out when they had Maokai Kennen Anivia. Really sick TF play
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 25 2012 13:48 GMT
#2860
On February 25 2012 21:56 Shikyo wrote:
Many would say that Yorick falls off a cliff as soon as the opponent can out-sustain his harrass(aka wriggles)


Wriggles isn't even a specific lategame item and Yorick's ult is probably the single best bruiser ult in the game in lategame (2 ad carries? yes plz). Let's not even speak of his laning which is atrocious strong. The only way Yorick falls off lategame is if his carry is really underfarmed.
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