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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 25 2012 02:17 GMT
#2801
Wait, at level 16 her ult is a 1K damage attack in a 1v1? People are going to qq so hard over new champion.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 25 2012 02:18 GMT
#2802
On February 25 2012 11:15 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 11:04 red_ wrote:
I take back what I said about Riot shying away from letting the ult be extremely punishing in 1v1's, even with the damage reduction and no ratio at all those numbers are pretty sick, and unlike Omnislash it seems it can only target champions, so a creepwave isn't going to save you. Good on them.

Presumably there will be a ratio, it's just not known yet, I guess.

Though TBH she could just be a Wit's+Triforce champ with that kit, and not care about the ratios (since her ult applies on-hits on every strike).

You're looking at 30 free ad and 100+% attack speed boost, at least according to the wiki.

Explain to me again why I'm supposed to build damage?

I seriously think she has potential to be the biggest pubstomper since release nocturne.

Or at least she would be if riot hasnt had a recent history of creating broken kits but just kind of nerfing the shit out of them to create meh champions (naut, sej)
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 25 2012 02:30 GMT
#2803
On February 25 2012 11:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 11:15 TheYango wrote:
On February 25 2012 11:04 red_ wrote:
I take back what I said about Riot shying away from letting the ult be extremely punishing in 1v1's, even with the damage reduction and no ratio at all those numbers are pretty sick, and unlike Omnislash it seems it can only target champions, so a creepwave isn't going to save you. Good on them.

Presumably there will be a ratio, it's just not known yet, I guess.

Though TBH she could just be a Wit's+Triforce champ with that kit, and not care about the ratios (since her ult applies on-hits on every strike).

You're looking at 30 free ad and 100+% attack speed boost, at least according to the wiki.

Explain to me again why I'm supposed to build damage?

I seriously think she has potential to be the biggest pubstomper since release nocturne.

Or at least she would be if riot hasnt had a recent history of creating broken kits but just kind of nerfing the shit out of them to create meh champions (naut, sej)


And while I know you're salivating her the idea of jungling her, that passive, lunge, and riposte, should make for very efficient trading top lane. I really think I'm going to pub some LoL again and give her a shot.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 25 2012 02:32 GMT
#2804
On February 25 2012 11:30 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 11:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 25 2012 11:15 TheYango wrote:
On February 25 2012 11:04 red_ wrote:
I take back what I said about Riot shying away from letting the ult be extremely punishing in 1v1's, even with the damage reduction and no ratio at all those numbers are pretty sick, and unlike Omnislash it seems it can only target champions, so a creepwave isn't going to save you. Good on them.

Presumably there will be a ratio, it's just not known yet, I guess.

Though TBH she could just be a Wit's+Triforce champ with that kit, and not care about the ratios (since her ult applies on-hits on every strike).

You're looking at 30 free ad and 100+% attack speed boost, at least according to the wiki.

Explain to me again why I'm supposed to build damage?

I seriously think she has potential to be the biggest pubstomper since release nocturne.

Or at least she would be if riot hasnt had a recent history of creating broken kits but just kind of nerfing the shit out of them to create meh champions (naut, sej)


And while I know you're salivating her the idea of jungling her, that passive, lunge, and riposte, should make for very efficient trading top lane. I really think I'm going to pub some LoL again and give her a shot.

You have no idea dude. Its been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long since we have had an offensive jungle.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 25 2012 02:33 GMT
#2805
On February 25 2012 11:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
You're looking at 30 free ad and 100+% attack speed boost, at least according to the wiki.

100% attack speed for 3 out of every 15 seconds. Not really the most compelling steroid, even if the ASpd boost is high.

On February 25 2012 11:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Explain to me again why I'm supposed to build damage?

To be fair, Wit's barely counts as "building damage" when, like Warwick, her ult instantly gets her to max stacks.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 02:55:50
February 25 2012 02:37 GMT
#2806
On February 25 2012 11:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 11:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
You're looking at 30 free ad and 100+% attack speed boost, at least according to the wiki.

100% attack speed for 3 out of every 15 seconds. Not really the most compelling steroid, even if the ASpd boost is high.

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 11:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Explain to me again why I'm supposed to build damage?

To be fair, Wit's barely counts as "building damage" when, like Warwick, her ult instantly gets her to max stacks.

And I DO love me some wits...

Although kind of thinking a modified double gp10 wriggles build might be the way to go-

Wriggles-boots-hog-avarice-ghostblade.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 25 2012 02:49 GMT
#2807
This champion seems AWESOME. I'm rarely interested in them.
P.S:

just sayin.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 02:59:23
February 25 2012 02:57 GMT
#2808
Patch Preview


I think we already know most of the changes because of the PBE patch notes.
http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/29480/?p=1
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 25 2012 03:06 GMT
#2809
Can someone find the olaf math from this thread?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
February 25 2012 03:11 GMT
#2810
On February 25 2012 08:12 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 07:40 iCanada wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:52 HazMat wrote:
On February 25 2012 06:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
I think we should take that argument to the extreme. suppose you had a choice between a rune that would add 0.0002% crit chance and a rune that would add 0.00024 attack damage. You would take the crit rune, right, because because the chances of the ad rune benefiting you are so marginal? How far can you salami slice this up? There's no particular reason why another crit rune like this wouldn't be better than 0.00024 ad. How high do the values need to go before you switch to 'normal' valuation? Show your math.

I'd take crit just so I could go buy lottery tickets when I procced a crit.

Next question.


Wouldn't the fact that you got super lucky with crits make it less likely for you to get super lucky with the lottery? If they both have a 0.0002 percent chance then then both happening to you is like 0.00000004% chance.

I don't think that's how statistics work. I haven't taking a statistics class yet though so I don't know.


That is actually how statistics works in some instances (multiplying the two numbers together). However, the person you quoted originally is still somewhat wrong. Each event functions independently of other events. So getting a crit when your chance to crit is 0.00000000001 would not make it less likely for you to win the lottery. An easier way to explain this would be using the quarter explanation. If you flip a quarter 10 times and get tails all 10 times, your chances of getting heads the next time are no higher than before. It's still 50/50 no matter what.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 25 2012 03:11 GMT
#2811
On February 25 2012 12:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
Can someone find the olaf math from this thread?

Q better. Ult better vs burst, worse vs periodic (autos and magic damage)
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 03:41:40
February 25 2012 03:38 GMT
#2812
On February 25 2012 12:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
Can someone find the olaf math from this thread?

Made a spreadsheet to check breakpoints. It turns out that it might turn out to be an overall nerf against incoming damage if you've made any effort to build resists at all.

I don't have enough excel skill to make a graph though =(.

right side number is when the new ragnarok@18(base incoming damage) will be better.

80 resist - 300+
120 resist - 400+
160 resist - somewhere ~550+
200 resist - 700+
240 resist - 900+
300 resist - 1200+

With just mercs+wriggles+atmas+runes/masteries it's about 180 armor and 110 mr. New one is a buff, only if you don't build more resistances than normal.


My numbers aren't exact, but they are close enough(less than 10 damage difference either way in most cases)

But with atmas+wriggles, physical sources are very close to never being better, and if you add in a randuins, without a LW(which is almost always 4/5 people on the other team), it's going to be a nerf in almost all cases. Buff against the vast majority of AP's though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2012 04:01 GMT
#2813
Anyone else watching EG stream? Everyone is practically a meat shield for Salce's ziggs, and Soraka is his fuel tank for unlimited mana, fucking hilarious.
liftlift > tsm
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 25 2012 04:02 GMT
#2814
On February 25 2012 13:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Anyone else watching EG stream? Everyone is practically a meat shield for Salce's ziggs, and Soraka is his fuel tank for unlimited mana, fucking hilarious.

Dan does not know how sej's ult works. He needs to aim it better so it gets past alistar.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 25 2012 04:10 GMT
#2815
lol wtf, dyrus' nid build.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 04:12:16
February 25 2012 04:11 GMT
#2816
So Fiora background and stuff

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1857434

Splash art overpowered.

[image loading]
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2012 04:14 GMT
#2817
On February 25 2012 13:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 13:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Anyone else watching EG stream? Everyone is practically a meat shield for Salce's ziggs, and Soraka is his fuel tank for unlimited mana, fucking hilarious.

Dan does not know how sej's ult works. He needs to aim it better so it gets past alistar.

I dont' think I've seen him hit more than 1 person with it.
liftlift > tsm
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 25 2012 04:18 GMT
#2818
On February 25 2012 13:11 warscythes wrote:
So Fiora background and stuff

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1857434

Splash art overpowered.

[image loading]

Sold. Im makin Frenchy work.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 04:53:56
February 25 2012 04:52 GMT
#2819
On February 25 2012 13:11 warscythes wrote:
So Fiora background and stuff

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1857434

Splash art overpowered.

[image loading]

Shes... so... purdy :o\

Also has the same hair as nikasaur except on the opposite side.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 25 2012 05:03 GMT
#2820
So yi 2.0 basically.

Damage steroids like yi. Highlander as a non-ult skill. Alpha strike 2.0/juggernaut ult. A gap closer that can be cast two times. Passive is arguably better than meditate for lane sustain.

RIP yi.
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