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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
February 24 2012 00:41 GMT
#2621
On February 24 2012 08:24 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 07:57 Requizen wrote:
Also, Trump streaming LoL? I remember watching him play Terran in Masters. Not the best, but he was really entertaining. I wonder how good he is at this.


Trump's been streaming for the last week at least. He's like ~lvl 15 on that account (maybe a smurf?) so he's still got a ways to go.


Damn I gotta catch his stream at some point, Trump's awesome!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 01:10:52
February 24 2012 01:10 GMT
#2622
On February 24 2012 07:21 warscythes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 07:18 Shiv. wrote:
On February 24 2012 07:16 Erasme wrote:
On February 24 2012 02:35 Requizen wrote:
Alright, I've decided. I'm going to spend the next couple days playing nothing but AP carries to get better, unless it's really unfeasible to the team.

My roster of such includes Brand, Viktor, TF (AP build), Fiddle, Lux, Orianna, Kennen, and Ryze (though I don't know if he's feasible without having a mana page for him, which I don't).

Who should I focus on (for whatever reason you see fit), and are their pages on here up to date?

Play Orianna. The best late game ap carry.

Very arguable. If you have a someone like Riven who deals INSANE amounts of late game damage and a few disables to follow up after your ult, sure. Damage wise, Orianna's just not up there late game. She offers great utility and if that's what you are looking for, she's great.


CC scales.

A stun late game is much stronger than a stun early game due to the nature of team fights/objectives/respawn timer/damage vs tankiness wise.

It is how champions like Leona/Ashe scale even though it seems that they should be really weak late game.


I absolutely do not agree. aoe cc often scales because it's simply hitting more targets late game, but single target stuns and other disables scale negatively with the length of the game. This is why the all cc team low elo loves is typically garbage, they get outscaled and end up with no damage as the midgame starts closing out.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 01:14:57
February 24 2012 01:13 GMT
#2623
How are reported idiots immediately matched with you again on the same team? This has happened on far too many occasions. It's like Riot wants me to stop playing.

I mean, it could put me in the same game as them. I'd love a chance to up against the tards that ruined your last game, but what the hell is the report feature for if it doesn't get rid of trolls?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 24 2012 01:22 GMT
#2624
On February 24 2012 10:13 Offhand wrote:
How are reported idiots immediately matched with you again on the same team? This has happened on far too many occasions. It's like Riot wants me to stop playing.

I mean, it could put me in the same game as them. I'd love a chance to up against the tards that ruined your last game, but what the hell is the report feature for if it doesn't get rid of trolls?

Id probably wait a few mins before i queue again if i get a serious retard

i thought ignoring them means you cant get matched up with them again though
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 24 2012 01:23 GMT
#2625
On February 24 2012 10:22 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 10:13 Offhand wrote:
How are reported idiots immediately matched with you again on the same team? This has happened on far too many occasions. It's like Riot wants me to stop playing.

I mean, it could put me in the same game as them. I'd love a chance to up against the tards that ruined your last game, but what the hell is the report feature for if it doesn't get rid of trolls?

Id probably wait a few mins before i queue again if i get a serious retard

i thought ignoring them means you cant get matched up with them again though


no, ignoring means that you won't hear them in chat

nothing you do (besides win or lose elo, and duoing ofc) affects who you get in matchmaking
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 24 2012 01:36 GMT
#2626
I take it back. Trump's Trist is pretty sick for someone who's only level 15
It's your boy Guzma!
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
February 24 2012 02:36 GMT
#2627
Unkillable Warwick: Madreds, Mercs, Wit's End, Frozen Heart, Spirit Visage, Triforce.

I've had the pleasure of never re-encountering anyone on my ignore list.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 03:33:17
February 24 2012 03:32 GMT
#2628
On February 24 2012 10:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
I absolutely do not agree. aoe cc often scales because it's simply hitting more targets late game, but single target stuns and other disables scale negatively with the length of the game. This is why the all cc team low elo loves is typically garbage, they get outscaled and end up with no damage as the midgame starts closing out.

They scale in that the value of what the target could have done in that time is higher, so it's more damaging. Early game, stunning someone for 2 seconds might only prevent them from doing 100 damage. Lategame that could be 1000 damage.

What sort of teams are you talking about? It's hard for a team that has decent CC on all team members to be bad. Damage is largely more a result of farm than from champion kit, so in low Elo, "no damage" is likely to be a product of that fact that your carries suck at farming--any AD carry that can manage to get to IE/PD/LW is going to hit like a truck. Likewise, CC's efficacy depends a lot on how well it's used, so poor usage will make CC look like it's not doing a lot.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 24 2012 03:45 GMT
#2629
TOO has been getting dorans items a lot in jungle the past like month or two and I just can't like it. Whenever I've tried it I always became super useless past the midgame. I feel like I just don't have the leisure to use dorans items.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 03:59:41
February 24 2012 03:59 GMT
#2630
On February 24 2012 12:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 10:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
I absolutely do not agree. aoe cc often scales because it's simply hitting more targets late game, but single target stuns and other disables scale negatively with the length of the game. This is why the all cc team low elo loves is typically garbage, they get outscaled and end up with no damage as the midgame starts closing out.

They scale in that the value of what the target could have done in that time is higher, so it's more damaging. Early game, stunning someone for 2 seconds might only prevent them from doing 100 damage. Lategame that could be 1000 damage.

What sort of teams are you talking about? It's hard for a team that has decent CC on all team members to be bad. Damage is largely more a result of farm than from champion kit, so in low Elo, "no damage" is likely to be a product of that fact that your carries suck at farming--any AD carry that can manage to get to IE/PD/LW is going to hit like a truck. Likewise, CC's efficacy depends a lot on how well it's used, so poor usage will make CC look like it's not doing a lot.


compare the value of taric stun at 6 minutes to taric stun at 40. I don't know whether it's merc treads or qss or the fact that squishier targets tend to be further from the cc or something inherent to the scaling of cc vs the scaling of damage steroids/items or all of those or something else entirely but single target cc gets wayyyy worse as the game goes on.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 24 2012 04:09 GMT
#2631
On February 24 2012 12:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 12:32 TheYango wrote:
On February 24 2012 10:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
I absolutely do not agree. aoe cc often scales because it's simply hitting more targets late game, but single target stuns and other disables scale negatively with the length of the game. This is why the all cc team low elo loves is typically garbage, they get outscaled and end up with no damage as the midgame starts closing out.

They scale in that the value of what the target could have done in that time is higher, so it's more damaging. Early game, stunning someone for 2 seconds might only prevent them from doing 100 damage. Lategame that could be 1000 damage.

What sort of teams are you talking about? It's hard for a team that has decent CC on all team members to be bad. Damage is largely more a result of farm than from champion kit, so in low Elo, "no damage" is likely to be a product of that fact that your carries suck at farming--any AD carry that can manage to get to IE/PD/LW is going to hit like a truck. Likewise, CC's efficacy depends a lot on how well it's used, so poor usage will make CC look like it's not doing a lot.


compare the value of taric stun at 6 minutes to taric stun at 40. I don't know whether it's merc treads or qss or the fact that squishier targets tend to be further from the cc or something inherent to the scaling of cc vs the scaling of damage steroids/items or all of those or something else entirely but single target cc gets wayyyy worse as the game goes on.

I think what you are trying to argue is that the value of single target stuns drops because there are more damage threats the longer the game goes, so stunning Tristana doesnt matter if cassio or shyvana are still in your face. That argument makes sense.

But Yango is correct- from a damage standpoint cc does in fact scale very well because of the damage potential inherent with buying items.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
February 24 2012 04:24 GMT
#2632
Looks like a CLG vs Crs scrim about to start.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 24 2012 04:25 GMT
#2633
On February 24 2012 13:24 Craton wrote:
Looks like a CLG vs Crs scrim about to start.

They discussing Monty's little girl. Apparently Saint not a fan of the jungle kayle though.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 24 2012 04:28 GMT
#2634
On February 24 2012 10:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 07:21 warscythes wrote:
On February 24 2012 07:18 Shiv. wrote:
On February 24 2012 07:16 Erasme wrote:
On February 24 2012 02:35 Requizen wrote:
Alright, I've decided. I'm going to spend the next couple days playing nothing but AP carries to get better, unless it's really unfeasible to the team.

My roster of such includes Brand, Viktor, TF (AP build), Fiddle, Lux, Orianna, Kennen, and Ryze (though I don't know if he's feasible without having a mana page for him, which I don't).

Who should I focus on (for whatever reason you see fit), and are their pages on here up to date?

Play Orianna. The best late game ap carry.

Very arguable. If you have a someone like Riven who deals INSANE amounts of late game damage and a few disables to follow up after your ult, sure. Damage wise, Orianna's just not up there late game. She offers great utility and if that's what you are looking for, she's great.


CC scales.

A stun late game is much stronger than a stun early game due to the nature of team fights/objectives/respawn timer/damage vs tankiness wise.

It is how champions like Leona/Ashe scale even though it seems that they should be really weak late game.


I absolutely do not agree. aoe cc often scales because it's simply hitting more targets late game, but single target stuns and other disables scale negatively with the length of the game. This is why the all cc team low elo loves is typically garbage, they get outscaled and end up with no damage as the midgame starts closing out.


cc only scales if you actually have damage to take advantage of it. *shrugs*
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 24 2012 05:00 GMT
#2635
This scrim is lulzy.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
February 24 2012 05:08 GMT
#2636
doublelift getting so much shit hahaha- saint "why aren't u pushing bot not to be mean or anything but you are dumb shit" "are you thinking about chipotle while you farm?"
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
February 24 2012 05:08 GMT
#2637
On February 24 2012 14:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
This scrim is lulzy.


Saint blaming doublelift, chauster apologizes lol
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 05:12:31
February 24 2012 05:12 GMT
#2638
I haven't watched many scrims before, I'm amazed at how critical CLG are of each other. Do other LoL teams flat out flame each other this much?
Doublelift has to take so much shit.
spacemonkey4eve
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States267 Posts
February 24 2012 05:13 GMT
#2639
On February 24 2012 14:08 OreoBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 14:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
This scrim is lulzy.


Saint blaming doublelift, chauster apologizes lol


NEED TO LEASH HIM!
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
February 24 2012 05:13 GMT
#2640
On February 24 2012 14:12 Agnosthar wrote:
I haven't watched many scrims before, I'm amazed at how critical CLG are of each other. Do other LoL teams flat out flame each other this much?


CLG/TSM are like this. TSM worse imo since they resort to just insulting each other, at least CLG uses in game stuff.
Other teams much much better
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