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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Also if maxing Q was standard that's my bad I didn't know <.< But it's iiincredibly powerful and makes you a TON scarier in early teamfights as well. (Yeah this probably could go to the yorick thread but I didnt find it, guess it's kind of dead .-. ) | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:35 Shikyo wrote: Oh something more about Yorick: From some advice by Kerp I've been experimenting with maxing Q first leaving W and E at lvl 1 and it's sooooo good! Even lvl 1 E is enough to beat the opponent in nearly all cases, and especially vs melees whenever they come to lasthit you hit them with Q and he's got a 100 dps ghoul chasing him and you have insane movespeed buff, completely wreck lanes with maxing Q first instead of E like most people seem to be doing. Also if maxing Q was standard that's my bad I didn't know <.< But it's iiincredibly powerful and makes you a TON scarier in early teamfights as well. (Yeah this probably could go to the yorick thread but I didnt find it, guess it's kind of dead .-. ) Q was the go to for the first week when everyone thought Yorick was shit. Then people realized E made you invincible. I think E probably has an innate advantage simply because it has range and hits harder. Max E and they cant even GET to creeps. Honestly I dont really think it matters though. Yorick is just broke. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
But yeah just saying, Kerp advocates this and from my tests I've done a thousand times better than maxing E first, still I always see EW maxed before Q so I guess most people don't know how much dmg Q deals. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:23 Shikyo wrote: Think I've seen saint jungle naut in like 5 games and his combined score has been like 4-25 or so, might not be the stream to watch for nautilus gameplay I think TeddyRO and chu8 are ones that somehow make nautilus work and I have no clue how I actually made a jungle video for Nautilus. It's not my best execution, but the principles are sound: I use my full Armor rune page for Nautilus. This extends the duration of Nautilus' W, which reduces your damage incurred and increases clear speed. W also resets your auto-attack, so you can be clever with it. It has a ridiculous duration so you can activate it 5-6 seconds before Wolves spawn in order to have it available sooner on Blue (useful if you're getting a leash). He's a standard Philo + HoG jungler and maxes W first. W is so strong you simply don't need Wriggle's, even for buff camps. You never lose health thanks to the shield, and you do metric craptons of damage through the midgame as long as your shield is up. With just Philo you have plenty of mana to Q everywhere if you need to get places in a hurry. His ganks are ridiculous. Just remember that if they run into the side bushes you want to hit the wall with Q first so that 3-5 seconds later you can then Q the actual champion (after your other CC is spent). I've done some other crazy stuff like flashing over walls Fiddle-style and then hooking/ulting people. The biggest problem with Nautilus is that late-game his damage falls off, and if you use your shield to block damage you do even less. Don't just blindly activate your shield at the start of team fights, you're a tank and you can afford to take those hits to preserve the crazy DPS that comes from maintaining the shield. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:28 Mogwai wrote: fwiw, I think WW lategame on 6 items is fucking crazy OP. his item scaling is pretty strong, dunno where you're coming from saying that his item scaling is weak. Which 6 items? I've been fooling around with the WW the last few days and so far I have only discovered builds that don't work. I mean, he is pretty strong no matter what you build... but I have yet to hit that "omgwtfpwn" stage I see WW's get at all the time. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:28 Mogwai wrote: fwiw, I think WW lategame on 6 items is fucking crazy OP. his item scaling is pretty strong, dunno where you're coming from saying that his item scaling is weak. Never said his item scaling is weak, I just think his lategame can be hard because QSS ad carries are a real bitch. Saying fed WW and ww in the lategame are different thing.s I think everyone's kind of overreacting to it anyway. I never said these guys are not effective lategame, it's just they have to be really careful in teamfights and are comparably weaker than in midgame where you can just not give a fuck. I mean a lot of it comes down to keeping up with their AD carry in terms of farm. If you have randuins and heart and they don't have a lategame AD carry (say they have graves or cait or ashe or smth) you're doing better, but a full item vayne/kog/trist is just a nightmare. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:50 Slayer91 wrote: Never said his item scaling is weak, I just think his lategame can be hard because QSS ad carries are a real bitch. Saying fed WW and ww in the lategame are different thing.s I think everyone's kind of overreacting to it anyway. I never said these guys are not effective lategame, it's just they have to be really careful in teamfights and are comparably weaker than in midgame where you can just not give a fuck. I mean a lot of it comes down to keeping up with their AD carry in terms of farm. If you have randuins and heart and they don't have a lategame AD carry (say they have graves or cait or ashe or smth) you're doing better, but a full item vayne/kog/trist is just a nightmare. You can just be patient. Unlike Malz, you arent ult dependent. You just wait till a high priority target uses their qss then nab them. Before that you can just do bruiser stuff with q and your e active. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:46 Seuss wrote: I actually made a jungle video for Nautilus. It's not my best execution, but the principles are sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjHm0JShcI8 I use my full Armor rune page for Nautilus. This extends the duration of Nautilus' W, which reduces your damage incurred and increases clear speed. W also resets your auto-attack, so you can be clever with it. It has a ridiculous duration so you can activate it 5-6 seconds before Wolves spawn in order to have it available sooner on Blue (useful if you're getting a leash). He's a standard Philo + HoG jungler and maxes W first. W is so strong you simply don't need Wriggle's, even for buff camps. You never lose health thanks to the shield, and you do metric craptons of damage through the midgame as long as your shield is up. With just Philo you have plenty of mana to Q everywhere if you need to get places in a hurry. His ganks are ridiculous. Just remember that if they run into the side bushes you want to hit the wall with Q first so that 3-5 seconds later you can then Q the actual champion (after your other CC is spent). I've done some other crazy stuff like flashing over walls Fiddle-style and then hooking/ulting people. The biggest problem with Nautilus is that late-game his damage falls off, and if you use your shield to block damage you do even less. Don't just blindly activate your shield at the start of team fights, you're a tank and you can afford to take those hits to preserve the crazy DPS that comes from maintaining the shield. This is very much similar to my take on him. Ganks like a madman at all points, speed kept up by virtue of being tanky as fuck and doing stupid AoE damage. I stop caring about my damage later on. Like, I enjoy chunking enemies and getting kills, but I usually just hug my carry past like the 15 minute point and every time we find 1-3 people we get a kill or two. You can peel and keep peeled so well it's not even funny. I run Regrowth Pendant - Boots - Philo - HoG - Aegis/Mercs into a core of Shurelia/FoN/Randuin and then GA later on. It works really well from my experience. I generally save W for when I get into fights rather than popping it during the poke stage or whatever. The base damage is still surprisingly good later on, especially on squishies. Edit to not double post: On February 24 2012 07:54 Two_DoWn wrote: You can just be patient. Unlike Malz, you arent ult dependent. You just wait till a high priority target uses their qss then nab them. Before that you can just do bruiser stuff with q and your e active. Bad WWs use their ults as initiates or to focus carries. Good WWs zone the carries by just running into them not giving a fuck and ult to peel or catch runners. Also, Trump streaming LoL? I remember watching him play Terran in Masters. Not the best, but he was really entertaining. I wonder how good he is at this. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:46 Terranasaur wrote: Which 6 items? I've been fooling around with the WW the last few days and so far I have only discovered builds that don't work. I mean, he is pretty strong no matter what you build... but I have yet to hit that "omgwtfpwn" stage I see WW's get at all the time. I find your lack of Triforce disturbing. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:15 Shiv. wrote: This is a pretty interesting amount of data about the top NA AD carries gathered by a fine gentleman and scholar. This thing is pretty interesting, but also imo rather non-conclusive. I really doubt the samplesize is enough to show more than some light tendencies (e.g. as someone pointed out qtpie has more kills/deaths than chaox which you can conclude a more reckless playstyle from). Then again, there are so many variables that you can't draw a lot from it. Doublelift RS vs. Dignitas Loss Corki 5 2 3 18.2 480 (52:53) 61.54% wth was this game though? 480cs too stronk. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:46 Terranasaur wrote: Which 6 items? I've been fooling around with the WW the last few days and so far I have only discovered builds that don't work. I mean, he is pretty strong no matter what you build... but I have yet to hit that "omgwtfpwn" stage I see WW's get at all the time. BT(replaces wrigs in super lategame), Frozen heart, Wit's end, Madreds blood razer, Merc treads. Frozenmallet (or triforce) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:54 Two_DoWn wrote: You can just be patient. Unlike Malz, you arent ult dependent. You just wait till a high priority target uses their qss then nab them. Before that you can just do bruiser stuff with q and your e active. I understand that, but i'm saying he's compareably weak to his farmed midgame/latemidgame state. That's all I'm really saying. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
They were saying something about making ghouls permanent so you actually have to choose to kill them but they dont do much (or any?) dps but instead give Yorick extra abilities, and removing damage reduction. Good changes imo. Also sucks I couldn't post here earlier today because the Ghostbusters shit and Smash's tier list made me laugh. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:57 Requizen wrote: Also, Trump streaming LoL? I remember watching him play Terran in Masters. Not the best, but he was really entertaining. I wonder how good he is at this. Trump's been streaming for the last week at least. He's like ~lvl 15 on that account (maybe a smurf?) so he's still got a ways to go. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:10 r.Evo wrote: This thing is pretty interesting, but also imo rather non-conclusive. I really doubt the samplesize is enough to show more than some light tendencies (e.g. as someone pointed out qtpie has more kills/deaths than chaox which you can conclude a more reckless playstyle from). Then again, there are so many variables that you can't draw a lot from it. wth was this game though? 480cs too stronk. Hmm I kind of like that offense % stat. Although I do think it needs to be modified to take into account the more kills there are in a game the more substantial having a high offense % is. Of course, I slept through all my math and statistics classes so I have no idea how to normalize that shit. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:26 Shiv. wrote: Nidalee is just a dumbass character because all she needs is to hit 6 and then she magically wins her lane 99% of the time. She hits like a truck with just defensive items, it's incredibly hard to gank her, she doesn't care if she's behind because she'll just evaporate a creepwave within a splitsecond and then jump around being a fucking cocksucking cat who gives no fucks. Seriously, fuck Nidalee, she's the bane of a top laner's existance. Im glad im not the only one who hates nidalee/anyone who plays her regularly -_- seriously when im in a game vs one they always magically get fed, so i focus them ine very etamfight from pure rage baha. and is yorick really getting a remake or is it just a rumor? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:17 wei2coolman wrote: BT(replaces wrigs in super lategame), Frozen heart, Wit's end, Madreds blood razer, Merc treads. Frozenmallet (or triforce) I'd go more like: Mercs/Bloodrazor/Triforce/Frozen heart/Randuins/GA or FoN If we're talking super lategame Dunno why you'd want BT if you're buying 0 crit. Hard enough stacking it, don't think the lifesteal is really important on warwick. More reasonable to have wits end over bloodrazor too, probably will just be a last item to sell type of thing. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:24 JBright wrote: Trump's been streaming for the last week at least. He's like ~lvl 15 on that account (maybe a smurf?) so he's still got a ways to go. Oh man, he's kinda noob at the game, but he's hilarious to watch. His mechanics aren't bad, he just doesn't know much about the game it seems. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On February 24 2012 07:46 Terranasaur wrote: Which 6 items? I've been fooling around with the WW the last few days and so far I have only discovered builds that don't work. I mean, he is pretty strong no matter what you build... but I have yet to hit that "omgwtfpwn" stage I see WW's get at all the time. Umashi build or bust. Doran's Ring Merc Treads Wit's End Frozen Heart Spirit Visage Late game you can build FoN/GA/Triforce. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:22 Requizen wrote: Oh man, he's kinda noob at the game, but he's hilarious to watch. His mechanics aren't bad, he just doesn't know much about the game it seems. That's entirely normal for anyone new to the game/genre. People really underestimate how much of the game is simply experience and/or understanding what the opponent is capable of. | ||
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