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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 23:22:32
February 22 2012 23:21 GMT
#2281
Can someone remind me what Riot's beef was with long-duration stealth was?

Because I seem to remember being the argument being along the lines that long-duration stealth is too powerful against players who don't buy pink wards. Ganks/etc. coming from nowhere.

Except I don't see the weight in that argument--if you're too stupid to buy pink wards, you're probably too stupid to buy green wards also (in fact, I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of players that know to buy pink wards against stealth heroes, but don't regularly buy green wards for their lane). And from that perspective, there are a bunch of jungler ganks that are way more dangerous than Twitch/Eve stealth ganks when you're not buying green wards--Rammus, Warwick post-6, Lee Sin, etc.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 23:24:34
February 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#2282
Too strong for low skill/low effort players, not worth putting it in for top level. That's how I feel about it. If it's balanced for top players buying pinks and warding jungle camps and stuff then it's OP for people who just want to have fun and aren't tryharding/paying attention.

Getting level 2 ganked and fb'd at your first cs just is kinda annoying for some people, I guess.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#2283
I could never get bored with Rumble. In general, the more skillshots I have to work with, the more fun that champ is to play for me, especially ones that are highly rewarding if you hit (Blitz). I'm not entirely bored with non-skillshot champs, but as long as I have them I feel more involved in the game.
Hey! How you doin'?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 22 2012 23:25 GMT
#2284
Funny that, I basically dont play any skillshot champions. >.>
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 22 2012 23:25 GMT
#2285
On February 23 2012 08:21 TheYango wrote:
Can someone remind me what Riot's beef was with long-duration stealth was?

Because I seem to remember being the argument being along the lines that long-duration stealth is too powerful against players who don't buy pink wards. Ganks/etc. coming from nowhere.

Except I don't see the weight in that argument--if you're too stupid to buy pink wards, you're probably too stupid to buy green wards also (in fact, I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of players that know to buy pink wards against stealth heroes, but don't regularly buy green wards for their lane). And from that perspective, there are a bunch of jungler ganks that are way more dangerous than Twitch/Eve stealth ganks when you're not buying green wards--Rammus, Warwick post-6, Lee Sin, etc.

Personally, my problem with long duration stealth is that you get to chose the ABSOLUTE PERFECT TIME to gank. Even if its like 30-60 seconds of standing behind people just waiting.

Try doing that with a champion who doesnt have a long duration stealth.

Huge difference.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 22 2012 23:28 GMT
#2286
On February 23 2012 08:16 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Not including supports who do you guys think are the most boring champions?

I'm thinking about saving up for a top lane champ or a new jungle and pretty much everything top lane doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Udyr/GP are effective but they dont appeal to me at all.
Kennen can go top but he just seems super boring.
Rumble seems situational.

Maybe wukong messing with people? I don't have mantheon. Naut seems fun but i think i need to do some more looking in to him.

Nasus is fucking boring. FARM FEST.
I pretty much hate every single ranged AD champion. HURR DURR LAST HIT.
Shaco is super boring as well. He use to be cool when I could carry as AP Shaco in summoners rift, but those jitb nerfs hurt so hard, that I can no longer roam shaco.
Morde is pretty boring.

Funnest champions are the ones that you can spam moves, like riven, rumble, kennen, and etc
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 22 2012 23:29 GMT
#2287
On February 23 2012 08:16 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Not including supports who do you guys think are the most boring champions?


Trundle, Galio, Karma, Yorick.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 22 2012 23:30 GMT
#2288
On February 23 2012 08:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 08:16 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Not including supports who do you guys think are the most boring champions?

I'm thinking about saving up for a top lane champ or a new jungle and pretty much everything top lane doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Udyr/GP are effective but they dont appeal to me at all.
Kennen can go top but he just seems super boring.
Rumble seems situational.

Maybe wukong messing with people? I don't have mantheon. Naut seems fun but i think i need to do some more looking in to him.

Nasus is fucking boring. FARM FEST.
I pretty much hate every single ranged AD champion. HURR DURR LAST HIT.
Shaco is super boring as well. He use to be cool when I could carry as AP Shaco in summoners rift, but those jitb nerfs hurt so hard, that I can no longer roam shaco.
Morde is pretty boring.

Funnest champions are the ones that you can spam moves, like riven, rumble, kennen, and etc

If you think shaco and morde are boring you're doing something wrong.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
February 22 2012 23:36 GMT
#2289
AP twisted fate= most fun champ
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 22 2012 23:36 GMT
#2290
On February 23 2012 08:16 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Not including supports who do you guys think are the most boring champions?

Hasn't this question been asked like 2-3 times before?

Anyway, my answer still hasn't changed. Sion is still boring as fuck.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 22 2012 23:40 GMT
#2291
On February 23 2012 08:21 TheYango wrote:
Can someone remind me what Riot's beef was with long-duration stealth was?

Because I seem to remember being the argument being along the lines that long-duration stealth is too powerful against players who don't buy pink wards. Ganks/etc. coming from nowhere.

Except I don't see the weight in that argument--if you're too stupid to buy pink wards, you're probably too stupid to buy green wards also (in fact, I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of players that know to buy pink wards against stealth heroes, but don't regularly buy green wards for their lane). And from that perspective, there are a bunch of jungler ganks that are way more dangerous than Twitch/Eve stealth ganks when you're not buying green wards--Rammus, Warwick post-6, Lee Sin, etc.


The beef was the chilling effect it had on the laning phase. Vision wards helped, but it's tough for top/mid to constantly go back every few minutes for one. Moreover the enemy could counter-ward, and in the end extremely defensive play was always necessary. The result was a very stagnant, uninteresting laning phase.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 22 2012 23:42 GMT
#2292
Can someone tell me if there is a channel for teamliquid on lol? :D
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 22 2012 23:45 GMT
#2293
Most fun champs: Pantheon, AP TF, Fizz, Kennen, Urgot!!!!
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 22 2012 23:47 GMT
#2294
On February 23 2012 08:42 Erasme wrote:
Can someone tell me if there is a channel for teamliquid on lol? :D

There is, but you have to prove your worth.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 22 2012 23:49 GMT
#2295
On February 23 2012 08:42 Erasme wrote:
Can someone tell me if there is a channel for teamliquid on lol? :D


LiquidParty on any of the servers.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#2296
On February 23 2012 08:21 TheYango wrote:
Can someone remind me what Riot's beef was with long-duration stealth was?

Because I seem to remember being the argument being along the lines that long-duration stealth is too powerful against players who don't buy pink wards. Ganks/etc. coming from nowhere.

Except I don't see the weight in that argument--if you're too stupid to buy pink wards, you're probably too stupid to buy green wards also (in fact, I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of players that know to buy pink wards against stealth heroes, but don't regularly buy green wards for their lane). And from that perspective, there are a bunch of jungler ganks that are way more dangerous than Twitch/Eve stealth ganks when you're not buying green wards--Rammus, Warwick post-6, Lee Sin, etc.


for me personally the problem with stealth being a core mechanic of a class is the binary nature of it. look at the situation in wow, or any other rpg really. when rogues open from stealth, the other guy feels shit, the rogue feels 'normal' and they play out the fight. except the balance out the chance of the stealth not working the rogue feels a bit op.

then if the rogue cant start in stealth the rogue feels shit, the other player feels 'normal' getting to play out their normal response to being attacked, and the rogue will feel underpowered.

in either situation 1 player is hating the experience and the other feels like this is how fights always are, the fun anti fun balance is skewed towards antifun ;/ and like i said, the binary nature of the mechanic leaves less room for play style etc.
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
February 22 2012 23:55 GMT
#2297
On February 23 2012 08:29 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 08:16 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Not including supports who do you guys think are the most boring champions?


Trundle, Galio, Karma, Yorick.


You obviously don't understand the glory of the pillar if you think trundle is boring.
I'm a Crab made of men.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 22 2012 23:57 GMT
#2298
On February 23 2012 08:55 Reuental wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 08:29 UniversalSnip wrote:
On February 23 2012 08:16 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Not including supports who do you guys think are the most boring champions?


Trundle, Galio, Karma, Yorick.


You obviously don't understand the glory of the pillar if you think trundle is boring.


No, he's actually just boring as hell. Having a terrain effect isn't enough to make a champion interesting. he's just a pile of stat boosts with a wall.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 23 2012 00:01 GMT
#2299
Fun champ = heimerdinger, lux

>: mordekaiser is fun if you love nomnom on farm; or you could try the feed enemy ad hard and then ult him
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 23 2012 00:01 GMT
#2300
Trundle is probably the least dynamic jungler I can think of. His two skills that can be used in creeps are 'attack again' and 'attack faster', lol.

A good Pillar is rewarding and albeit fight-changing. But doesn't detract from the fact that he's still not a very interesting champion to play.
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