EPT[Patch 1.0.0.134: Nautilus] General Discussion - Page 114
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:11 Zdrastochye wrote: If you miss her ult I'm sorry but you fucking suck. And she does have something that separates her, an aoe stun on a range, that's significantly better than Leona's. Sejuani's ult also has a cooldown twice as long as Leona's. Its all well and good to talk about how great her ult is but its cooldown is really long. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
Considering how low is damage is and how much constant CC + free tankiness he has, the Sejuani comparison is much more appropriate than Amumu. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:28 Juicyfruit wrote: I think it's more fair to compare Sejuani to Amumu than Nautilus. Nautilus is strong, of course, but he has his weaknesses. I wouldn't call his ultimate "reliable" because it's so damn slow that unless your whole team lines up for it, it's just going to end up in a counterinitation while whoever you stun cleanses out of it. Does cleanse remove the ult, or just the stun afterward? Either way, that's kind of a stretch, imo. Not everyone has a cleanse or will build a QSS simply to counter your one ability. Furthermore, I don't really use it as an initiate anyway. I save it for once the fight starts, relying on my QE to initiate, grab someone out of position, and slow, then save my Ult for when we're ready to demolish the carry. By that point, many people are clumped up and not focusing on your ult. The CC is much better as a team disruption than an introduction ability. Plus, I wouldn't call it slow. Didn't you see the video of the speed test Yi trying to outrun it? With highlander, mob boots, PD, and Dom speed shrine, he couldn't get away for more than a couple seconds. I doubt a carry is going to see it and immediately reposition their entire team to dodge that. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
The one thing Sejuani has that Nautilus doesn't is damage scaling built in with her tankiness. Nautilus gets extra tankiness for building tankiness instead. Sejuani's ult is overall better than Nautilus', but not by enough to make her competitive. I really like Sejuani in concept, but she needs some tuning to be a competitive alternative. | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:39 Craton wrote: Displacement affects have two parts: the knock you up/away part and the CC afterwards. Cleanse/Tenacity only work on the latter. Tyty | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:41 Juicyfruit wrote: My point is that if you can't use nautilus ult to initiate in a coordinated teamfight, you can't compare it to sejuanis ult. I'm fairly sure that overall, nautilus is stronger, but their kit to me just don't seem that directly comparable. I'd agree, though they're pretty similar outside of the ults. Naut's is more of a peel/focus, Sej's is definitely an initiate. However, they both have a movement ability that is good in different ways (Sej can get over walls, Naut can stop the enemy/spiderman his way around), an AoE slow, and AoE damage. Sej's slow is (arguably) better, Naut's single target lockdown is (arguably, I suppose) better, Naut scales better tanky, Sej scales better damage. Overall, they're pretty damn similar, so I think it's as comparable as anything. No two champions are ever going to have completely parallel kits, and Naut/Sej are about as close as you're going to get. Amumu might be similar, as well. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
You pretty much called Ashe arrow that's an aoe better than Malphite ulting one person. I've never to this day seen a team get all 5 hit by Naut's ult, 3 at most if you're fighting in tight quarters. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:04 UniversalSnip wrote: mana doesn't even scale well on singed boots 4 roa's and an aa should be considered core on singed | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:51 Juicyfruit wrote: Imo the differences you mentioned are crucial enough that neither can actively replCe each other optimally in a team, and is therefore, in my mind, fairly distinct even if they have the appearance of being almost the same. I just don't think you're going to find 2 champs with kits that are that close, period. Yes, they're not exactly the same, but they both fill a similar/the same role (CC oriented tank that can jungle), and have kits that do pretty much the same thing, with the only huge difference being the effective use of ultimates. That's pretty close, close enough to compare. They're both strong and distinct, but if someone was like "Hey Req, what champion is a lot like Sejuani?", I'd be like, "Well Nautilus is pretty similar". | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
To be honest I'm not sure we'd be comparing Sejuani and Nautilus if there wasn't such a discrepancy in jungle effectiveness. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 23 2012 07:58 Requizen wrote: I just don't think you're going to find 2 champs with kits that are that close, period. Yes, they're not exactly the same, but they both fill a similar/the same role (CC oriented tank that can jungle), and have kits that do pretty much the same thing, with the only huge difference being the effective use of ultimates. That's pretty close, close enough to compare. They're both strong and distinct, but if someone was like "Hey Req, what champion is a lot like Sejuani?", I'd be like, "Well Nautilus is pretty similar". Really? I would compare sej more to amumu, her kit anyways. Nautalus is more or less similar to malphite imo. The main problem with sej and naut, is that they're tanks with so-so damage, but no one wants to build pure tank, so everyone builds AP bruiser, and then they wonder why they suck balls with champs like naut and sej. I love playing ap amumu as much as the next guy, but lets face it, pure tank amumu is simply just more effective in a teamcomp, than ap amumu. Same applies to naut and sej. | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
I'm thinking about saving up for a top lane champ or a new jungle and pretty much everything top lane doesn't interest me in the slightest. Udyr/GP are effective but they dont appeal to me at all. Kennen can go top but he just seems super boring. Rumble seems situational. Maybe wukong messing with people? I don't have mantheon. Naut seems fun but i think i need to do some more looking in to him. | ||
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