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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
February 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#2241
I rushed a tear on Singed once... I thought it would work... I fed, we lost, and I cried. I learned and moved on.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
February 22 2012 21:24 GMT
#2242
p.s. ww nunu cdr ashe
it's hilarious
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 21:27:36
February 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#2243
hsgg said ad nidalee is strong and easy to play. She is a strong and mobile bruiser I think, but AP nidalee in the right teamcomp is super potent I think. You need either a healpoke/kite combo or sth that works with splitpushing. Its amazing how much space ap nidalee can claim for herself. similar to teemo in a sense. ap nid is ofc also much more beautiful to watch imo.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 21:38:31
February 22 2012 21:36 GMT
#2244
On February 23 2012 06:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:03 Slayer91 wrote:
EVERY annie player rushing tears just totally blew my mind when I was a new player because even though I went for RoA for some mana I felt like why the fuck are you building mana on annie with free mana Q like of all the APs she needs it less??

Ive actually seen tear singed in a game before. No joke.

That was my old singed build, go archangels while intenitonally spamming slow and fling every opportunity while running around farming etc.

Maxed tear at 40min after rushing it early! It's in theory really good in singed, he just can't stack it :/ Too bad, his passive = too stronk for AP Singed


Also I don't think AD Nidalee is that great, but a full tank build should be awesome as her Cougar has good base dmg and low cds anyway. Probably with Triforce.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#2245
On February 23 2012 05:52 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 05:47 Sabin010 wrote:
So, I've been away from the game since the Ahri patch.

Who's currently the best champions in everybody's opinion?

I looked at Sujuani's kit last night and thought that it was the best jungle kit I had ever seen. Also, Riven is really strong, some may be as far as to even say op. I think Riven and Sujani are the next champions I will be getting. Also, we should have a list of champions everybody should be familiar with playing.

Sejuani is trash.


Her ult is fucking amazing, and her W scales very well with most items you'd care to build on her. Surprised to hear Shikyo of all people to call someone trash before fully investigating her.
Hey! How you doin'?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#2246
On February 23 2012 06:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 23 2012 06:03 Slayer91 wrote:
EVERY annie player rushing tears just totally blew my mind when I was a new player because even though I went for RoA for some mana I felt like why the fuck are you building mana on annie with free mana Q like of all the APs she needs it less??

Ive actually seen tear singed in a game before. No joke.

That was my old singed build, go archangels while intenitonally spamming slow and fling every opportunity while running around farming etc.

Maxed tear at 40min after rushing it early! It's in theory really good in singed, he just can't stack it :/ Too bad, his passive = too stronk for AP Singed


Also I don't think AD Nidalee is that great, but a full tank build should be awesome as her Cougar has good base dmg and low cds anyway. Probably with Triforce.

pity poison activation doesn't stack tear. if it did tear might not be absolutely godawful on singed.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 21:39:59
February 22 2012 21:39 GMT
#2247
On February 23 2012 06:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 05:52 Shikyo wrote:
On February 23 2012 05:47 Sabin010 wrote:
So, I've been away from the game since the Ahri patch.

Who's currently the best champions in everybody's opinion?

I looked at Sujuani's kit last night and thought that it was the best jungle kit I had ever seen. Also, Riven is really strong, some may be as far as to even say op. I think Riven and Sujani are the next champions I will be getting. Also, we should have a list of champions everybody should be familiar with playing.

Sejuani is trash.


Her ult is fucking amazing, and her W scales very well with most items you'd care to build on her. Surprised to hear Shikyo of all people to call someone trash before fully investigating her.

Before fully investigating.. played like 10+ games testing all kinds of builds, the impression I had and still do is that she's an ultbot who's a very poor man's shyvana after it's used, so she should max CDR and spam ulti. She deals absolutely no damage.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
February 22 2012 21:43 GMT
#2248
For a kill, there are two things Singed wants to happen in the lane phase:
1. The enemy to melee creeps.
2. The enemy to be away from creeps.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 22 2012 21:46 GMT
#2249
sejuini seems a lot worse now that naut is in the game. I think naut's kit is just better.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#2250
On February 23 2012 06:46 Mogwai wrote:
sejuini seems a lot worse now that naut is in the game. I think naut's kit is just better.

They need to fix her scaling/leveling. Her w is good, but it kicks in WAY too late to be useful and all her cds are too long. Basically they created an op kit then got scared of it and toned it back a bit to far.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 21:59:02
February 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#2251
? Sejuani's gapcloser is generally better, her ult is way better, and her slow is more effective for long chases. Naut's ult having a freaking windup time before it knocks up the target blows pretty bad for actual ganks and is quite possibly worse for teamfights, and being unable to go across walls of any kind is pretty garbage in comparison. The only thing I really think he has on her is effectiveness in the jungle itself (Sejuani's early jungle is really bad).

There's something to be said for the pull being a displacement that can interrupt certain things and that's very useful, though. I dunno, they're both pretty low damage, tanky, high cc bruiser jungles. What it comes down to for me is their Ults and I think Sej has one of the best in the game.
Remember Violet.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2012 21:58 GMT
#2252
On February 23 2012 06:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
? Sejuani's gapcloser is generally better, her ult is way better, and her slow is more effective for long chases. Naut's ult having a freaking windup time before it knocks up the target blows pretty bad for actual ganks and is quite possibly worse for teamfights, and being unable to go across walls of any kind is pretty garbage in comparison. The only thing I really think he has on her is effectiveness in the jungle itself (Sejuani's early jungle is really bad).


Besides him having more damage than her by far, right?
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 22 2012 21:59 GMT
#2253
It's not hard to have more damage than shit nothing. His kit is not particularly better or worse than hers.
Remember Violet.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 22 2012 22:04 GMT
#2254
On February 23 2012 06:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 06:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 23 2012 06:03 Slayer91 wrote:
EVERY annie player rushing tears just totally blew my mind when I was a new player because even though I went for RoA for some mana I felt like why the fuck are you building mana on annie with free mana Q like of all the APs she needs it less??

Ive actually seen tear singed in a game before. No joke.

That was my old singed build, go archangels while intenitonally spamming slow and fling every opportunity while running around farming etc.

Maxed tear at 40min after rushing it early! It's in theory really good in singed, he just can't stack it :/ Too bad, his passive = too stronk for AP Singed


mana doesn't even scale well on singed
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2012 22:06 GMT
#2255
Sejuani isn't a bad champ, but you'd be crazy to argue that Nautilus is on her level or worse, he's a step above her. He has more damage, his gap closer is just as good IF YOU CAN HIT IT, and if you don't trust yourself to hit it consistently you can aim terrain and slow before you try it again. Late game her kit may be stronger if you also take into account her W scaling, but Naut can get a lot more things done before it reaches that point. I like Sejuani a lot, but I definitely liked her more before Nautilus came out.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 22 2012 22:09 GMT
#2256
Naut's ult just feels better to me compared to Sej's. The stun isn't teamwide, sure, but you can focus someone with it and knock up the entire team along the way, and since it's targeted, it's much more reliable. He also feels much naturally tankier than she does with his shield being what it is.

It's kind of sad, Sejuani sounded interesting, but she feels like she's just somewhere between Shy and Naut with no real strengths to separate her from either.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2012 22:11 GMT
#2257
On February 23 2012 07:09 Requizen wrote:
Naut's ult just feels better to me compared to Sej's. The stun isn't teamwide, sure, but you can focus someone with it and knock up the entire team along the way, and since it's targeted, it's much more reliable. He also feels much naturally tankier than she does with his shield being what it is.

It's kind of sad, Sejuani sounded interesting, but she feels like she's just somewhere between Shy and Naut with no real strengths to separate her from either.


If you miss her ult I'm sorry but you fucking suck. And she does have something that separates her, an aoe stun on a range, that's significantly better than Leona's.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 22:12:10
February 22 2012 22:11 GMT
#2258
is sej a good early jungler? I'm under the impression naut gets screwed pretty hard by good counterjunglers, don't know if that's true.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 22 2012 22:21 GMT
#2259
On February 23 2012 07:11 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 07:09 Requizen wrote:
Naut's ult just feels better to me compared to Sej's. The stun isn't teamwide, sure, but you can focus someone with it and knock up the entire team along the way, and since it's targeted, it's much more reliable. He also feels much naturally tankier than she does with his shield being what it is.

It's kind of sad, Sejuani sounded interesting, but she feels like she's just somewhere between Shy and Naut with no real strengths to separate her from either.


If you miss her ult I'm sorry but you fucking suck. And she does have something that separates her, an aoe stun on a range, that's significantly better than Leona's.

Well I've never played her, so I don't know how easy/hard it is to land. But I do know that it's a skillshot, and therefore is prone to getting blocked/dodged randomly/on purpose. Naut's is shorter range, sure, but you're going to hit it, that person is getting stunned (and probably killed) and anyone who gets in the way is getting fucked up as well.


On February 23 2012 07:11 UniversalSnip wrote:
is sej a good early jungler? I'm under the impression naut gets screwed pretty hard by good counterjunglers, don't know if that's true.

I honestly don't worry about getting counter jungled. I just have the mid push their lane and then come help me with buffs, then if my camps get stolen, I just gank instead. Early on, he hits like a truck, even without AP, so you can usually be fine even with invasions.
It's your boy Guzma!
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
February 22 2012 22:22 GMT
#2260
Oh btw one thing that's annoying about Sej is Ashe's slow doesn't let you proc permafrost. She'd be a pretty janky but viable botlane if it did.
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