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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
February 07 2012 05:33 GMT
#1821
On February 07 2012 10:56 MoonBear wrote:
The matchmaking algorithm creates several bands when assigning teams. This means that the algorithm will look at who is currently in queue and then create cut-off points for each team based on the current pool of Elo. Let's say that it creates an upper bound of 1570 and a lower bound of 1430. It then extracts all players in this range and assigns the players closest to 1570 as the team captains, and the players closest to 1430 as the last picks (after adjusting for the 200 Elo variance from Blue/Purple side). People in between 1430 and 1570 are then spread across the teams created.

Somewhere in the Competitive section of the LoL site it says (or said) that the bottom four picks were randomly assigned as far as picking order goes. Is that not the case or do only the middle 3 get randomized? It's hard to actually gauge this when in champion select since the ladder ratings on the website don't update in real time.

On February 07 2012 13:03 starfries wrote:
How often does that happen? Does it make new bands every second and update them, or make them every minute or so and wait for people to fill them up?

I always thought it'd do it after each game was assigned players.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 07 2012 05:37 GMT
#1822
On February 07 2012 14:05 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 14:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On February 07 2012 13:53 barbsq wrote:
On February 07 2012 13:22 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
On February 07 2012 13:18 Shikyo wrote:
On February 07 2012 13:13 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
On February 07 2012 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
CLG losing to v8 in 2nd scrim of the night, HotShotGG speaks:
"$1000 salary reduction if we don't watch the fucking replay at the end of the night." lulz.
Jiji got caught a bunch of times, HotShot useless TPs all over the place, v8 playing really well.

Game 3 happening right now.


lol they win with "animal kingdom" alistar vollibear anivia nunu. too bad there's no animal ad carry

When did rats cease being animals?


i knew someone would point one out to me- technically yes but the rat ceased being a real ad carry post ult nerf imo. Would've been awesome if doublelift picked him though


wat? that doesn't make any sense to me..


His stealth gimmick makes him weaker than ashe in lane and therefore unviable as an ad carry? You might have success with him as some sort of roamer or jungle, but you're handicapping yourself if you play him bottom lane instead of another ad carry. Unless you can get farmed enough to penta their team with his R (and even that would require them to stack up like idiots) then there's really nothing he offers besides stealth which is broken at best until the stealth rework.

You level stealth in lane? Level expunge and surprise surprise, that ashe gets stunned by anything and you pew pew pew W pew pew E and she dies from half hp almost


Btw on the topic of Twitch I beat a Gangplank solo top with him. Kiting and Expunge too stronk.


By the way you're COMPLETELY undervalueing the ability to walk around in stealth in the midgame and pick stray people off. He can gank in the midgame too.


You got one thing right in that post. Surprise surprise, your only weapon when the champion you're using is awful. Only win the lane if your opponent is so dumbfounded on what to do that you win.

He might have (one of) the highest base ad of the "carries" and be on the high end scaling wise but he also has the smallest life pool and lowest growth to compensate. He also has the pathetic range of 500 which means trading with any of the other ad carries will be hard in itself unless you're constantly stealthing. If you can survive 500 range he has an interesting kit, but it's so weak early on that you should get laughed out of lane. How could you possibly stand up to something like Caitlyn that constantly pushes your lane? I suppose you'd be really good at last hitting at tower with the passive/one of the higher base ad values.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 07 2012 05:39 GMT
#1823
On February 07 2012 14:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
So I want to start a movement to get Nocturne's ult un-nerfed. His level 1 ult should be what his level 2 is now, and just put his level 2 as something between what his current level 2 is and current level 3.

But I mean FFS this shit is just PATHETIC atm. And this is coming off a game where I went 7-2-10.

The initial nerfs were WAY before the current warding/other jungle champs so it worked (ish) back then, but now its just not enough. And even with a buffed ult there are about 8 other junglers with scarier level 6 ults from a pure power standpoint. Noct just needs the darkness back T_T.



I'll sign up for that. Nocturne too fun to be gimped so hard and the "OH SHIIIIIT" feeling you get when Noct pops that ult is one of my favorite things in league. Need more of it.
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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
February 07 2012 05:41 GMT
#1824
I think the biggest thing Noc needs is some of his fear leash range restored. Basically any blink or Flash is an instant fear break now.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 07 2012 05:43 GMT
#1825
Does voidstaff affect the mpen of madreds' bloodrazer?
liftlift > tsm
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 05:44:32
February 07 2012 05:44 GMT
#1826
Nice 4v5 on salce stream


On February 07 2012 14:43 wei2coolman wrote:
Does voidstaff affect the mpen of madreds' bloodrazer?

Yes. Don't even think about doing it tho.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 07 2012 05:44 GMT
#1827
On February 07 2012 14:41 arnath wrote:
I think the biggest thing Noc needs is some of his fear leash range restored. Basically any blink or Flash is an instant fear break now.

implying that's a bad trade.

jump in lane, and flash for 1 ability, that's an amazing trade still.
liftlift > tsm
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
February 07 2012 05:46 GMT
#1828
Just wanted to let everybody know I'm back on the Summoner name PsyonicReaver now. The name finally unlocked due to inactivity (I could never remember what email I had it linked to) but it's liked to my new account that is currently level 7. I'm playing nothing but Katarina and having a blast. =) But I dont know how much longer I'll be playing once Tera comes out. It's been a great 2 years or so playing LoL but I'm moving on guys. Glad so many came on board. =) It's fun to go back to the original thread I created and see how far we've come since then.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 07 2012 05:50 GMT
#1829
On February 07 2012 14:46 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Just wanted to let everybody know I'm back on the Summoner name PsyonicReaver now. The name finally unlocked due to inactivity (I could never remember what email I had it linked to) but it's liked to my new account that is currently level 7. I'm playing nothing but Katarina and having a blast. =) But I dont know how much longer I'll be playing once Tera comes out. It's been a great 2 years or so playing LoL but I'm moving on guys. Glad so many came on board. =) It's fun to go back to the original thread I created and see how far we've come since then.


What the fuck is Tera and why will it steal one of the posters I always enjoy reading posts of - no matter in which forumpart - from LoL? =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 07 2012 05:52 GMT
#1830
On February 07 2012 14:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 14:41 arnath wrote:
I think the biggest thing Noc needs is some of his fear leash range restored. Basically any blink or Flash is an instant fear break now.

implying that's a bad trade.

jump in lane, and flash for 1 ability, that's an amazing trade still.


But Maokai will snare you instantly. Lee Sin can kick you back or slow you instantly. Sure you could use flash to escape death sometimes but Mao or Lee Sin are going to get kills that Nocturne can't. Not to mention both of them are going to put damage out on you that Noc won't.

So you could flash out of a Noc fear and then not even have to leave lane because you took almost no damage from the gank.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
February 07 2012 05:53 GMT
#1831
So whats the current verdict on Ziggs?

He pretty much instantly made his way to my favorite champion based on his looks and personality. Other than that he is a really solid ap in my eyes, I wouldn't be suprised if they tone down the damage on q a little bit. He can push and farm well, does good sustained aoe damage at a long distance and dat ult.

Buld wise, everything else than a deathcap first leaves the damage to be underwhelming in my eyes.I really like going Deathcap->Lichbane on him, which ends up being kind of risky, since that build will leave him quite squishy and he has to be in auto attack range to make use of the lichbane. You gotta go crazy with this champion though :D.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 05:53:22
February 07 2012 05:53 GMT
#1832
On February 07 2012 14:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Nice 4v5 on salce stream

Report Dyrus Leaver!

Enemy veigar: "I hope my mom doesn't see this replay" XD
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 07 2012 05:56 GMT
#1833
On February 07 2012 14:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 14:41 arnath wrote:
I think the biggest thing Noc needs is some of his fear leash range restored. Basically any blink or Flash is an instant fear break now.

implying that's a bad trade.

jump in lane, and flash for 1 ability, that's an amazing trade still.

For 1 nearly melee-range ability

Which jungler, when they get as close as noct needs to be in order to use fear, DOESN'T force a flash or a blink? Compare to say, Fiddle gank, Lee Sin gank, Shaco gank, Sion gank..
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 07 2012 06:13 GMT
#1834
On February 07 2012 12:19 LoCicero wrote:
Watching this video made me better at League of Legends. If it worked for me it can work for you:



I will have to try this because it is sooo good
Never Knows Best.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 07 2012 06:19 GMT
#1835
Ult range is bigger than a fear buff. I dont care about fear cuz it is meaningless if you cant get into range. How do you get into range? Use your ult.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 07 2012 06:48 GMT
#1836
Am I the only one who feels as if Graves is a complete **** against a Cass in teamfights?

"Awwww, you wanna press all your buttons rapidly while hovering your mouse over a certain person? Too bad you can't see em anymore!"

Literally everytime I play Graves and that bitch is on the enemy team I get compliments about how fucking stupid his W is against her. =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 07 2012 06:57 GMT
#1837
On February 07 2012 15:48 r.Evo wrote:
Am I the only one who feels as if Graves is a complete **** against a Cass in teamfights?

"Awwww, you wanna press all your buttons rapidly while hovering your mouse over a certain person? Too bad you can't see em anymore!"

Literally everytime I play Graves and that bitch is on the enemy team I get compliments about how fucking stupid his W is against her. =D

Same goes for Ryze, maybe even more so since all his stuff is targeted. Pretty much the closest thing to a counter for lategame Ryze. I hate that stupid smoke bomb D:
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Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
February 07 2012 07:04 GMT
#1838
I personally love using Graves smoke bomb on Akali when she does her own smoke shield.

But I also hate Akali and will do it for no reason other than to irritate them.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
February 07 2012 07:07 GMT
#1839
On February 07 2012 15:19 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ult range is bigger than a fear buff. I dont care about fear cuz it is meaningless if you cant get into range. How do you get into range? Use your ult.


How big is his lvl 1 ult range anyway? Last time I played him I felt like I needed to be at least in tribush to hit someone in the middle of bot lane.
Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
February 07 2012 07:27 GMT
#1840
On February 07 2012 16:07 ControlMonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 15:19 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ult range is bigger than a fear buff. I dont care about fear cuz it is meaningless if you cant get into range. How do you get into range? Use your ult.


How big is his lvl 1 ult range anyway? Last time I played him I felt like I needed to be at least in tribush to hit someone in the middle of bot lane.


His level 1 ult range is 2000, then 2750/3500 for level 2/3.
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