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On February 06 2012 14:58 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:49 tobi9999 wrote:On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat Right, having baron makes it more likely that your AD carry is gonna get instagibbed! and AD doesn't scale with APs, I never knew! Seriously though, pushing with baron, and pushing without baron are 2 completely different things. Which is why it's worthwhile to get baron always unless you're losing inhibs. ............... shikyo alt? I never said that baron makes it more likely to get dived but it also doesn't make it less likely... Herp. And in the event that a teamfight breaks out, the ap is not going to help cait nor is the hp or mana regen most likely. So my original point stands: considering baron to be 15000 gold advantage is fallacious because few champs really utilize every stat It's obviously good in sieges but a smart team won't try to poke trade with a baron team. They'll commit or back off. I'm just saying baron isn't as good as you guys are making it out to be. It's nowhere Near instawin
No one ever said baron was instawin. People are less likely to dive you if they are less likely to succeed (aka. you have more stats). Baron is a 15K g advantage regardless of if you "believe" it or not. Top players will utilize whatever stats they receive in some way.
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On February 06 2012 15:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus.
I consider inhibitors worth more than baron.
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On February 06 2012 15:04 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus. I consider inhibitors worth more than baron.
This is pretty damn true, OP super minions.
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On February 06 2012 15:04 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus. I consider inhibitors worth more than baron.
It depends. With baron you're almost guaranteed to get that same inhibitor in numerous cases and it's an extra 1.5k gold too.
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On February 06 2012 15:05 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:04 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On February 06 2012 15:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus. I consider inhibitors worth more than baron. It depends. With baron you're almost guaranteed to get that same inhibitor in numerous cases and it's an extra 1.5k gold too.
It doesnt depend. Inhibs are worth more. Always.
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if u r a teamfight comp and you have the choice of getting an inhibitor and risking them respawning and rushing baron and you are fairly low, or can just take baron, back, heal, and go for a new teamfight, then baron is the correct decision
absolute statements are usually false in these kinds of objective based games
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On February 06 2012 14:58 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:49 tobi9999 wrote:On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat Right, having baron makes it more likely that your AD carry is gonna get instagibbed! and AD doesn't scale with APs, I never knew! Seriously though, pushing with baron, and pushing without baron are 2 completely different things. Which is why it's worthwhile to get baron always unless you're losing inhibs. ............... shikyo alt? I never said that baron makes it more likely to get dived but it also doesn't make it less likely... Herp. And in the event that a teamfight breaks out, the ap is not going to help cait nor is the hp or mana regen most likely. So my original point stands: considering baron to be 15000 gold advantage is fallacious because few champs really utilize every stat It's obviously good in sieges but a smart team won't try to poke trade with a baron team. They'll commit or back off. I'm just saying baron isn't as good as you guys are making it out to be. It's nowhere Near instawin
WTF? That's the entire point, commit or back off. The enemy team wouldn't be forced to do that if you didn't have baron
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On February 06 2012 15:12 Navi wrote:
if u r a teamfight comp and you have the choice of getting an inhibitor and risking them respawning and rushing baron and you are fairly low, or can just take baron, back, heal, and go for a new teamfight, then baron is the correct decision
absolute statements are usually false in these kinds of objective based games
In this situation, yes, baron is better. But not because it is in any way worth more. Merely because it has less risk.
In a vacuum, inhibitors are worth more than baron. You can tip the scale in any way you want to play mind games in order to say that in certain situations baron is the correct choice. It does not change the fact that given a situation where both are free, but you can only get 1, the inhibitor is the way to go.
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Can anyone give some advice on playing against Shyv top? I'm having so much trouble against her top and I have no idea what i'm supposed to do in that match up. This is probably the match up i've had least success against so far top and I can't tell what is the "correct" approach to playing against her.
What usually happens in general is that whenever i'm ahead, ill get a lantern for sustain, this ends up pushing the wave and letting her farm more than I actually want her to. But when I'm behind or lack sustain she will make trades with W, E,Q and its difficult for good trades due to her high armour and this becomes even more difficult once she completes lantern.
Another problem I find is that given equal farm, she gets pretty tanky with lattern/witts and becomes a pain to deal with as she can dragon form and dive for carries. I also notice that the timing when she gets relatively tanky is also where AD/AP carries haven't finished their first big item yet so its difficult to burst her down in teamfights.
While the times i've laned against her, my other lanes weren't doing too well and could have contributed to why I feel she's so hard to deal with. I think she is the only champion I haven't won a lane against and that the best I can do is stay equal to her in farm.
User was warned for this post
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On February 06 2012 15:06 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:05 Shikyo wrote:On February 06 2012 15:04 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On February 06 2012 15:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus. I consider inhibitors worth more than baron. It depends. With baron you're almost guaranteed to get that same inhibitor in numerous cases and it's an extra 1.5k gold too. It doesnt depend. Inhibs are worth more. Always.
Kill a person -> kill inhib -> do nothing else vs Kill a person -> Baron -> kill that same inhib
You just gained 300 gold and the buff in comparison to just killing the inhib.
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On February 06 2012 15:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:06 Two_DoWn wrote:On February 06 2012 15:05 Shikyo wrote:On February 06 2012 15:04 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On February 06 2012 15:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus. I consider inhibitors worth more than baron. It depends. With baron you're almost guaranteed to get that same inhibitor in numerous cases and it's an extra 1.5k gold too. It doesnt depend. Inhibs are worth more. Always. Kill a person -> kill inhib -> do nothing else vs Kill a person -> Baron -> kill that same inhib You just gained 300 gold and the buff in comparison to just killing the inhib.
Kill inhib, force someone to be in lane cuz its pushing, bait 5v4 somewhere else, win game.
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Kill inhib, force someone to be in lane, bait 5v4, get baron
Am I doin it right?
The thing you dont understand Shikyo, is that map control is EVERYTHING in this game. Inhib is instant map control, which lets you do other shit LIKE take baron and get other inhibs.
Baron is useful for TRYING to get more objectives, but its far from the same power an inhib has. Enemy has a wave clear? Guess what, your baron means SHIT.
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was kind of heavy
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if you get baron it's hard for them to contest the inhib afterwards
if you get inhib it's still forseeable to see baron/other inhibs/towers getting contested
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playing with marcou not really a brag
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On February 06 2012 15:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:playing with marcou not really a brag
Then why did you post?
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twodown im sorry i didnt wanna post in your brag thread, please dont moderate me
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I feel like stinger dcap trynd is more interesting than Marcou anyways
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On February 06 2012 15:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
twodown im sorry i didnt wanna post in your brag thread, please dont moderate me
If it were qq, you would get a warning for it. No questions. I have yet to see Neo warn for brags, but the thread is new.
Note the memo at the top of the thread- both threads were created to clear this shit out of GD. Im sorry you feel you dont need to follow basic forum etiquette.
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twodown i think you're missing the point here........ofc having an inhib down in a vacuum is better, but 90% of the time ur not going to be able to get a "free inhib" (having the enemy team aced or near aced is a requirement for this, as well as a lane that is naturally pushing)
those kinds of situations come along pretty rarely...more often what happens is someone gets caught and dies instantly, then a team picks up free baron since it's a 4v5 and the other team can't/won't contest it.
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