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On February 06 2012 14:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
SV:
"I was watching TOO play in the go4lol today and Shyvana is the perfect hero for him. He gets to run to lanes to drop wards faster."
Of course it is, but that's not saying much because Shyvana is the perfect hero for everyone
i've always wondered how saint won so many games with shyvana, then i played her for the first two times in ranked , win two games gain 25 elo np. Several of my friends who played her during her free week climbed over 100 ELO. np l0l
it's true, she just runs into your jungle and drops wards and it's gg.
need nerf na0
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On February 06 2012 12:15 Two_DoWn wrote:
And only people who watch archer actually get the first part of my post.
Or my quote.
*he says while hanging upside down*
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(watching salce stream)
good guy smash, if that happened to me (random skarner cass and some other guy come out of nowhere and chain stun 100 to 0 you) i'd be raging hella hard
edit: also brutal gladiator reckful feedin hard O_o
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On February 06 2012 12:40 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 11:08 0123456789 wrote:
Every1 knows that you control wraiths, you control game. Which is why morde is always picked/banned in Brasil.
FYI, if you didn't know I'm just kidding. Since the dawn of time, whoever got baron won game. I think this is still prevelant today(get baron, win game), just that baron isn't as strong as it once was, but still really strong. Right now it feels like 1 baron nullifies any lead the enemy team had, and a second one wins the game. If you were already ahed, a baron is instawin. Pretty dumb considering how close barons often end up being about who's jungler is the "best" at smiting, when truly a good smite is about as "skillful" as a cross-map ashe arrow.
I disagree, but forgive me for thinking Baron is just another buff it gives you a huge psychological edge and because it affects all of your team it could tip a close teamfight. It isn't as game-changing as Aegis of the Immortal and Cheese (HoN/DotA)
I have lost games after 2 successful barons and have won games after losing 1-2 barons. If you said 3 barons wins you a game I could agree to that, but 1 isn't enough.
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To me, baron is one of thosethings where if you get it, them you're far enough ahead that you didn't need it OR you're so far behind it won't matter
I rarely see baron deciding games because
Let's be real, how is +30 ad on karth or +50 ap and some hp regen on Caitlyn really gonna make that big of a difference?
As a disclaimer, I try to get Baron as early annoften as possible when playing with a teamcomp with champs that benefits from it fully like skarner and irelia
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On February 06 2012 14:27 gtrsrs wrote:
To me, baron is one of thosethings where if you get it, them you're far enough ahead that you didn't need it OR you're so far behind it won't matter
I rarely see baron deciding games because
Let's be real, how is +30 ad on karth or +50 ap and some hp regen on Caitlyn really gonna make that big of a difference?
As a disclaimer, I try to get Baron as early annoften as possible when playing with a teamcomp with champs that benefits from it fully like skarner and irelia
who the fk cares about the ad or ap, the hp regen is retarded as hell.
it's like more than a FoN, and allows you to push like retards without caring about getting half your hp taken away from poke.
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On February 06 2012 14:30 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:27 gtrsrs wrote:
To me, baron is one of thosethings where if you get it, them you're far enough ahead that you didn't need it OR you're so far behind it won't matter
I rarely see baron deciding games because
Let's be real, how is +30 ad on karth or +50 ap and some hp regen on Caitlyn really gonna make that big of a difference?
As a disclaimer, I try to get Baron as early annoften as possible when playing with a teamcomp with champs that benefits from it fully like skarner and irelia who the fk cares about the ad or ap, the hp regen is retarded as hell. it's like more than a FoN, and allows you to push like retards without caring about getting half your hp taken away from poke.
This is true can't believe I forgot about the poke advantage it gives you.
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I often see Udyr trying to get desparation barons at lvl12 with one other member. When they get it, they tend to sway the game in their favor. When they don't it's two deaths because they're both low. Baron is better the earlier the game is, and yeah the hp5 mp5 is huge.
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On February 06 2012 14:27 gtrsrs wrote:
To me, baron is one of thosethings where if you get it, them you're far enough ahead that you didn't need it OR you're so far behind it won't matter
I rarely see baron deciding games because
Let's be real, how is +30 ad on karth or +50 ap and some hp regen on Caitlyn really gonna make that big of a difference?
As a disclaimer, I try to get Baron as early annoften as possible when playing with a teamcomp with champs that benefits from it fully like skarner and irelia
It's 40 AD(Worth like 1500 in gold so 7500 for your whole team)
40 AP (Worth 860 gold so 4300 for your whole team)
Those stats alone give you an advantage of almost 13k gold. Even if you can't properly utilize all the stats, it still is a crazy advantage.
Also gives
3% of your maximum health in health regeneration per 5 sec.
And
1% of your maximum mana in mana regeneration per 5 sec.
Which pretty much translates into infinite HP and mana. Saying that the HP regen isn't significant when it's like twice as good as the FoN passive is a bit silly.
Putting every single stat into numbers it's around a 16k - 18k gold advantage for your team, pretty significant in my opinion.
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But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat
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I only baron for the 300g.
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On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat
Instagibbed how? I fyou dive past the tower for an AD carry vs baron you basically get aced. It's kind of dumb to assume the ad carry is retarded.
Getting baron basically guarantees you kill every single outer turret, no matter how many the opponent has. In addition you usually will be able to poke down an inhibitor as well
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On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat
Right, having baron makes it more likely that your AD carry is gonna get instagibbed!
and AD doesn't scale with APs, I never knew!
Seriously though, pushing with baron, and pushing without baron are 2 completely different things. Which is why it's worthwhile to get baron always unless you're losing inhibs.
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On February 06 2012 14:46 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat Instagibbed how? I fyou dive past the tower for an AD carry vs baron you basically get aced. It's kind of dumb to assume the ad carry is retarded. Getting baron basically guarantees you kill every single outer turret, no matter how many the opponent has. In addition you usually will be able to poke down an inhibitor as well
You're completely missing the point!
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On February 06 2012 14:52 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:46 Shikyo wrote:On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat Instagibbed how? I fyou dive past the tower for an AD carry vs baron you basically get aced. It's kind of dumb to assume the ad carry is retarded. Getting baron basically guarantees you kill every single outer turret, no matter how many the opponent has. In addition you usually will be able to poke down an inhibitor as well You're completely missing the point!
The point we are putting out is that it's free stats. The point that you are putting out is that some stats are not as good as others for certain champions.
These are two COMPLETELY different things
edit: Whether manamune is a good item on Lee Sin has nothing to do with whether Baron is worth getting or not
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Depends on how far ahead the enemy team is. You see even high level games where the enemy steals baron but still gets aced under tower a minute later and losses the game. Baron is good to get to win more safely though if you're slightly ahead and you killed/made the enemy back, or if they're out of position and you can grab it fast enough that there is little threat to you for getting it. Otherwise it's more of a risk than anything. If you're behind baron is a bigger risk to take but it might be the only thing to get you back in the game.
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On February 06 2012 14:49 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:42 gtrsrs wrote:
But again, the hp regen not gonna save your ad carry from getting instagibbed and the ad not gonna do anything for your ap carry so consider it 18k in free stats is misleading - in the same way that getting 3 kills and then buying manamune on leesin is not really a valuable stat Right, having baron makes it more likely that your AD carry is gonna get instagibbed! and AD doesn't scale with APs, I never knew! Seriously though, pushing with baron, and pushing without baron are 2 completely different things. Which is why it's worthwhile to get baron always unless you're losing inhibs.
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shikyo alt? I never said that baron makes it more likely to get dived but it also doesn't make it less likely... Herp. And in the event that a teamfight breaks out, the ap is not going to help cait nor is the hp or mana regen most likely. So my original point stands: considering baron to be 15000 gold advantage is fallacious because few champs really utilize every stat
It's obviously good in sieges but a smart team won't try to poke trade with a baron team. They'll commit or back off. I'm just saying baron isn't as good as you guys are making it out to be. It's nowhere Near instawin
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It's the single most important thing on the map besides the Nexus.
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On February 06 2012 13:37 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:http://www.twitch.tv/darksupremacyxduo queue with my buddy here in Edmonton, come watch me feed :D stream not guaranteed to be from my POV
Whoa hey, didn't know I had a fellow edmontonian on this subforum.
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Baron is the single biggest misplay that most low elo players constantly fuck up.
Baron, simply, makes getting towers/inhibs easier by giving the regen boost.
That being said, look at that sentence again. "GETTING TOWERS/INHIBS." Those win the game. Those are your objectives. Baron is a tool that makes grabbing them easier.
Realistically, the only time you should ever do baron if you are stronger than the enemy team is if you ace/mostly ace them right next to baron. Otherwise you should be getting towers.
The only reason baron ever wins a game is because a) a weaker team got baron and equalized, or b) one of 2 even teams was able to win a teamfight around baron and used the ace to finish baron and push afterwards. The rest of the time baron isnt the reason you won, you were already the stronger team.
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