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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
February 06 2012 01:27 GMT
#1441
On February 06 2012 10:23 Slaughter wrote:
I always hear about Hotshot getting owned in lane or in fights. Do people just like to bring up his derp moments that much or is he not really that good.

Hotshot has some pretty derp moments. But when push comes to shove, he mans up. For example:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toxUrA32hr0
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
February 06 2012 01:35 GMT
#1442
On February 06 2012 10:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 09:51 Terranasaur wrote:
I kinda wished Ionic Spark chain lightning damage scaled off something. It's a fun item, and a cool effect, but 100 damage is nothing.

It's 110 damage to each of 4 targets. 440 damage isn't enough? Wit's end only does 160.


It´s the offensive counterpart to Wits. In terms of raw value it´s better if you hit at least one additional target with the proc.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 06 2012 01:41 GMT
#1443
On February 06 2012 10:35 Unentschieden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 10:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On February 06 2012 09:51 Terranasaur wrote:
I kinda wished Ionic Spark chain lightning damage scaled off something. It's a fun item, and a cool effect, but 100 damage is nothing.

It's 110 damage to each of 4 targets. 440 damage isn't enough? Wit's end only does 160.


It´s the offensive counterpart to Wits. In terms of raw value it´s better if you hit at least one additional target with the proc.

It also gives 10% more aspd but it also costs more
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
February 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#1444
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
February 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#1445
And more ELO hell talk. TOO saying there is no Elo hell, commenting on their level of play. Guy on other team says you've never been to 900 elo. TOO says he would just carry there too. The key is just farming the bad players than killing the good one.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 06 2012 01:50 GMT
#1446
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

There is a buff...?

There's 2 golem buffs and 2 lizard buffs and yeah controlling them is pretty important, they're a bit like runes but they're always the same and they're in the jungle.

However people have known they're good ever since beta so that statement is just... wrong.

M5 just counterjungled more aggressively than usual and yeah they did good buff control, their playstyle got figured out / countered in like less than a week though and now people know how to deal with it.


The buffs: Blue golem buff basically gives you infinite mana and reduces cooldowns. Red lizard buff makes your attacks slow and deal some true damage.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
February 06 2012 01:53 GMT
#1447
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

Bit confused what you're question is, are you saying that because God has played DOTA for many years and was able to recognize "a play" in beta, where it took another team 2 years to do the same? Either way, he is pretty loosely informed, there are 4 buffs, two in each jungle - much like river runes, you want to establish control over them. M5 exploited a lot of counter jungling to do this, but the concept of doing it has been around forever (keep the other team from the buff, and you have an advantage), M5 just used atypical heroes to do it.
the farm ends here
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
February 06 2012 01:58 GMT
#1448
On February 06 2012 10:53 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

Bit confused what you're question is, are you saying that because God has played DOTA for many years and was able to recognize "a play" in beta, where it took another team 2 years to do the same? Either way, he is pretty loosely informed, there are 4 buffs, two in each jungle - much like river runes, you want to establish control over them. M5 exploited a lot of counter jungling to do this, but the concept of doing it has been around forever (keep the other team from the buff, and you have an advantage), M5 just used atypical heroes to do it.

Was probably talking about Baron, but you can still lose games where you get every Baron.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 01:59:44
February 06 2012 01:59 GMT
#1449
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

Buff control has been getting more and more important as LoL has developed. I remember when I first started playing pro teams in tourneys wouldn't control or contest buffs nearly as much as they do now. M5 wasn't the first team to do it; pro teams have been stepping up their buff control for quite a while now. What M5 did was extremely aggressive jungle control, stealing not just buffs, but also small camps, with atypical champions.

On February 06 2012 10:58 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 10:53 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

Bit confused what you're question is, are you saying that because God has played DOTA for many years and was able to recognize "a play" in beta, where it took another team 2 years to do the same? Either way, he is pretty loosely informed, there are 4 buffs, two in each jungle - much like river runes, you want to establish control over them. M5 exploited a lot of counter jungling to do this, but the concept of doing it has been around forever (keep the other team from the buff, and you have an advantage), M5 just used atypical heroes to do it.

Was probably talking about Baron, but you can still lose games where you get every Baron.

I doubt it was about baron. M5's baron control wasn't anything out of the ordinary.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
February 06 2012 02:03 GMT
#1450
IgI playing goose now in semis of go4lol: http://www.twitch.tv/national_esl1

IgI hwaiting~~
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 02:10:35
February 06 2012 02:08 GMT
#1451
Every1 knows that you control wraiths, you control game. Which is why morde is always picked/banned in Brasil.

FYI, if you didn't know I'm just kidding. Since the dawn of time, whoever got baron won game. I think this is still prevelant today(get baron, win game), just that baron isn't as strong as it once was, but still really strong.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 02:11:52
February 06 2012 02:10 GMT
#1452
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

Mmm. I'll translate what he said.

"Hey, I played this game like three years ago during its beta and don't know anything since then. I'm sure it's still probably the same though. I mean, there's this huge buff in the middle of the map that wins you the game instantly but for some reason for three years no one seems to know about it or care about it because they don't want to win. That's because LoL Players are all really stupid. But some really smart guys realised that a free win button wins you the game. I'm shocked that it took so long for people to realise that pressing a free win button wins you games. How hard can it be?"

Really though. It's like some guy coming along and saying:

"Wow, this DotA game is terrible. Apparently there's this thing in the game that gives you an item that makes you insta-win if you kill a thing called Roshan. Apparently no one knew about it. But recently at a tournament some team realised the game developers secretly coded in this instant win button and used it to win. This is despite the fact that no real game developer would put in an instant win condition in a multiplayer game and make it a secret. That obviously shows this game has no tactical depth whatsoever. I am going to completely ignore everything else about the game such as picks/bans and laning and teamfighting. Because I played DotA five years ago but never touched it since then you know I am a reliable analyst and should listen to me."
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 02:11:45
February 06 2012 02:10 GMT
#1453
On February 06 2012 10:58 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 10:53 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.

Bit confused what you're question is, are you saying that because God has played DOTA for many years and was able to recognize "a play" in beta, where it took another team 2 years to do the same? Either way, he is pretty loosely informed, there are 4 buffs, two in each jungle - much like river runes, you want to establish control over them. M5 exploited a lot of counter jungling to do this, but the concept of doing it has been around forever (keep the other team from the buff, and you have an advantage), M5 just used atypical heroes to do it.

Was probably talking about Baron, but you can still lose games where you get every Baron.



They were definitely referring to Blue.

I don't really think that was having Blue all game that won them the games however, it was more the aggressive jungle control/counterjungling that none of the other pro teams had experienced to that degree before. Pretty much everything else everyone has already said.

Edit: Lol at Numbers, and Moonbear, you rock.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 06 2012 02:11 GMT
#1454
On TOO's stream I'm having a really difficult time determining wether Ezreal is really skilled at trolling or if he really has that little map awareness
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 06 2012 02:16 GMT
#1455
On February 06 2012 10:23 Slaughter wrote:
I always hear about Hotshot getting owned in lane or in fights. Do people just like to bring up his derp moments that much or is he not really that good.

Hotshot lacks game knowledge that's typical of some league wiki dwellers *cough* but he's got a good playstyle and some feel for what works for him. Split push nidalee ~ so hard to catch XD
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 02:25:32
February 06 2012 02:17 GMT
#1456
Even if he's talking about Baron, and even were it true that Baron is an auto-win buff, it's not like Baron's importance hasn't been known since forever and a day ago. Almost all the tournaments I've watched have always had the mid/late-game revolving around Baron.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 02:34:22
February 06 2012 02:22 GMT
#1457
no elo hell my ass oddone, 1-6-0 ez b's in middle of enemy team while they contest drag
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 02:40:06
February 06 2012 02:38 GMT
#1458
On February 06 2012 10:42 Steveling wrote:
Hi dudes, I live next door in the dota2 section, lol. I'm visiting here with a question.
There was an interview with 2 top dota players about a specific pr issue, but somehow the following dialog happened.


+ Show Spoiler +
V1lat: Dmitriy said he called you many times recently and you didn’t answer. Are you ignoring him?

God: You know ddd1ms blamed me in many things lately. I was a liar, a coward, a bad player and so on. It got to the point when we were blamed of not achieving anything and only consider ourselves “the stars”. At that moment I told Dmitriy to show me other candidates in Dota 2 roster and he pointed out to the M5.LoL team.

I know a few things about LoL because I played it as a beta tester. There is a buff and if you control it the entire game, you win. A week ago I heard that M5.LoL were the only team who discovered it. I was shocked and I think there is nothing genius in this strategy as many fans think.

As for the missed calls sometimes I am just sleeping all day long after playing Dota 2. I never respond in such situation. And this time I accidentally answered at once from an unknown number. It was just a random call answer and I immediately was blamed for being a coward and other stuff.


I was intrigued, is it really that simple? Is the difference in playing a moba game as pro for many years to just 1 or 2 that big, or is he just being silly?

Dunno where else to post it, so I posted here, hope it's ok.



he is being silly, the team he talks about did an all-in move every game where they tried to take the enemies buff for themselves. this only worked a few times because people didnt expect such a risky move. A week later people now pay attention to such cheese and dont get overpwered by it anymore, the good teams win the game right there by getting 2 free kills.


oh if he actually talks about the baron buff, well thats just the endgame objective that enables teams to force teamfights, though they pay the price to fight 6v5 if initiated upon directly in the baron area.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 06 2012 03:01 GMT
#1459
On February 06 2012 09:42 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 09:38 Kyo Yuy wrote:
On February 06 2012 09:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 06 2012 08:51 starfries wrote:
Oddone discovering the joys of ranked placement matches right now


Says this proves there is no elo hell, admits he can't carry this team a minute later.
Real baylife logic.

He says stuff like this even at high ELO.

Also a few nights ago he ended up in a game with Saint and Doublelift where he still lost (some people say Saint was also trolling).

If there is an ELO Hell where people troll a lot and games are unwinnable because of bad team comps and bad play, then it exists in the ELO range of 0 to 3000.

IMO elo hell would be below 1400. Above that people generally pick proper team comps and generally don't megafeed the lanes. At lower elos it's not rare that you have no support or no jungler or have some fullretard feeders. Sure there's unwinnable games after 1400 as well but even so it's more of the outplaying stuff and not just full idioticness. Also almost no leavers after that point.

Btw this chainsaw baron analogy = why TOO has better quotes than saint imo!


1400+ don't megafeed? I'm not too sure about that one chief. If you'd like I can document famous streamers scores when in solo lanes. Seen Regi start as bad as 0-7 on Cass at 18 minutes.
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clg 5v5 ranked:

"so who is making the teamcomp?"
"its doublelifts turn"
chauster"oh god, i want to see this, insight into DLs thoughtprocess"
hotshot"ok guys its curse lets play for real"
"ok doublelift you are out"
doublelift"but guys, i have my spreadsheets! i have my spreadsheets!"


i found this very funny.
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