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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 01 2012 07:28 GMT
#101
So why do people still give AD kennens so much shit? I was just in a game, solo top as AD kennen, except had to 1v2 galio and kennen in lane.

Obviously lost my lane first, but was keeping up in #1 cs in game for longest time. Went 0-1-0 in lane, while my viktor went 0-7-0, then had my lanewick on bot berate "omg ad kennen, what a fuckign troll, why do i get troll on my team all the time? fucking retard kennen building wriggles". Game ends with us losing, obviously, but ended with highest farm on my team finished 1/1/1. I don't get whats with the stigma against ad kennen?
liftlift > tsm
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
February 01 2012 07:33 GMT
#102
I'm not sure about you, but people are much more understanding of AD Kennen now.

Personally I hate hate hate fighting against a decent AD Kennen bot,
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 07:35:19
February 01 2012 07:34 GMT
#103
On February 01 2012 16:33 RogerX wrote:
I'm not sure about you, but people are much more understanding of AD Kennen now.

Personally I hate hate hate fighting against a decent AD Kennen bot,

I'd assume so, especially after iem kiev. But a lot of lol players are still pretty ignorant of pro scene, and often when i cite the source as to why I play Ad kennen, they berate me for "WELL ARE YOU PRO? NO. SO DON'T BE SUCH A SHEEP AND DON'T WHAT PRO'S DO." ironically enough, the current meta everyone is playing is what pro's worked out.
liftlift > tsm
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2012 07:37 GMT
#104
On February 01 2012 16:26 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:06 Vei wrote:
damn getting my hopes up that this patch was out ;x
On February 01 2012 15:55 RogerX wrote:
Can't help but think ZigZagoon

classic pokemon~

If there is no champ thread can we ask about them here..? I would like to know how to play Sejuani because she seems underused and that always adds to the cool :B

I have a friend on my arranged 5s team that basically only plays Sejuani when he jungles. He does really well too. I think he goes cloth5 and just focuses mostly on ganking. A Sejuani gank, especially once she hits 6 is almost always a guaranteed kill/burned summoner.


Welp. I tried to make her work top. I really did. But, welp. What DOES work great is Sej+a strong damage jungler. Lee/Nocturne, that type of stuff.

For jungling I feel she's soooo slow and needs blue too much. Basicly everything she does (from the jungle) is done better and quicker by Maokai imoimo.

Actually, I think Volibear does everything Sej does, only better. Voli's jungle is actually really strong, to the point that you just run at people, e them so they cant move (only e actually does damage) then kill them. A reposition is incredibly potent on ganks, only unlike singed, volibear actually jungles well.

And his damage is like stupidly suprisingly good. I had games today where I literally 1v2 a carry and a support and like 5 separate 1v1s with carries way more fed than me and just killed them. Like even I didnt know where my damage came from, but it was there.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 01 2012 07:37 GMT
#105
On February 01 2012 16:26 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:06 Vei wrote:
damn getting my hopes up that this patch was out ;x
On February 01 2012 15:55 RogerX wrote:
Can't help but think ZigZagoon

classic pokemon~

If there is no champ thread can we ask about them here..? I would like to know how to play Sejuani because she seems underused and that always adds to the cool :B

I have a friend on my arranged 5s team that basically only plays Sejuani when he jungles. He does really well too. I think he goes cloth5 and just focuses mostly on ganking. A Sejuani gank, especially once she hits 6 is almost always a guaranteed kill/burned summoner.


Welp. I tried to make her work top. I really did. But, welp. What DOES work great is Sej+a strong damage jungler. Lee/Nocturne, that type of stuff.

For jungling I feel she's soooo slow and needs blue too much. Basicly everything she does (from the jungle) is done better and quicker by Maokai imoimo.

Eh iunno. I don't know what my friend's running, but he maxes W first and he clears pretty well.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
February 01 2012 07:39 GMT
#106
Really curious about Ziggs numbers. Ulti looks like a hoot and a half

But the best thing has to be the portrait when u kill someone ^_^

Also, ashebuff, Ive been using her nonstop already, just keeps getting better yay
KCCO!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2012 07:40 GMT
#107
On February 01 2012 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:26 r.Evo wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:06 Vei wrote:
damn getting my hopes up that this patch was out ;x
On February 01 2012 15:55 RogerX wrote:
Can't help but think ZigZagoon

classic pokemon~

If there is no champ thread can we ask about them here..? I would like to know how to play Sejuani because she seems underused and that always adds to the cool :B

I have a friend on my arranged 5s team that basically only plays Sejuani when he jungles. He does really well too. I think he goes cloth5 and just focuses mostly on ganking. A Sejuani gank, especially once she hits 6 is almost always a guaranteed kill/burned summoner.


Welp. I tried to make her work top. I really did. But, welp. What DOES work great is Sej+a strong damage jungler. Lee/Nocturne, that type of stuff.

For jungling I feel she's soooo slow and needs blue too much. Basicly everything she does (from the jungle) is done better and quicker by Maokai imoimo.

Eh iunno. I don't know what my friend's running, but he maxes W first and he clears pretty well.

I have played like 10-15 games with Sej, and she definitely can do decently well in jungle.

She just has a problem where her low levels are out of whack cuz her cds are terrible, and her mid game is shit because her scaling is out of whack. Her late game is decent, but she doesnt bring enough utility or damage to the table to really make her a better pick than Mao, Rammus, or Alistar if you want that type of jungle.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
February 01 2012 07:43 GMT
#108
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
February 01 2012 07:46 GMT
#109
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Talon, Orianna come to mind. We demand ratios!
KCCO!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2012 07:47 GMT
#110
The gold standard for AP mid is Leblanc. Release LB was batshit insane.

Imagine current LB, only with more damage and essentially no mana costs.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
February 01 2012 07:50 GMT
#111
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...

I think people are waaaaaaaaay too quick to judge.

I remember people saying Volibear would be the most OP champ of all time on release, nope.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
February 01 2012 07:58 GMT
#112
I can't believe that no one has mentioned the rammus dance buff. Rammus now even more permaban.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
February 01 2012 08:05 GMT
#113
Jan 15:

After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold.


Patch Notes:

Power Transfer missile speed increased to 2000 from 1400
Gravity Field activation time reduced to 0.25 seconds from 0.5


Riot should pay me.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 08:07:30
February 01 2012 08:06 GMT
#114
On February 01 2012 16:33 RogerX wrote:
I'm not sure about you, but people are much more understanding of AD Kennen now.

Personally I hate hate hate fighting against a decent AD Kennen bot,

now if only people were more understanding of my AD brand
BW -> League -> CSGO
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 01 2012 08:08 GMT
#115
On February 01 2012 15:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Hate to start this discussion, but does anyone else feel that AD carries simply do way too much damage early game and late game? especially with skills like sivir's boomerang, and grave's buckshot. I just feel that riot has pushed the AD carry role simply too hard. The offense tree is still ridiculously stacked for AD carries, and the strength of all their items just seem ridiculously high, as compared to their defensive counterparts.


yes, i agree 100%
AD carries are the strongest champs offensively all throughout the game
really want to see BF sword go back to 1800+ gold, all the bullshit AS steroids get dropped down to MF level, and most champs get a couple armor points extra OR ad carries base damages being slightly lowered
it's just stupid that a champ like sivir/ez/graves can auto->skill->auto for 300-400+ damage even at level 1 and 2.
i realize that this is balanced out by the fact that they are the weakest champs defensively, but holy shit, try ganking a bot lane as udyr/shyvana/skarner without ult/ww/any champ that doesn't have huge burst, cc, and a gap closer. champs like ezreal just turn and fight you, get you to 0 health in 3 hits, then trolol blink away

then as soon as they get vamp scepter, if they're even slightly ahead, game is essentially over. push their advantage -> get close to dying -> lifesteal to full health in 1 wave and take your tower. AD carries are bullshit, i feel like a lot of the problem is power creep because all the new anti-carries and gap closers and stuff but holy shit if you don't like playing jump champs, bot lane is a fucking NIGHTMARE
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 01 2012 08:12 GMT
#116
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Gonna take something special to knock release XZ off his perch for that title... unless you want to count beta releases(in which case no retail release champ has come close).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 08:16:54
February 01 2012 08:14 GMT
#117
On February 01 2012 17:12 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote:
Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios...


Gonna take something special to knock release XZ off his perch for that title... unless you want to count beta releases(in which case no retail release champ has come close).

Beta Jax was preetty decent imo


On February 01 2012 16:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
The gold standard for AP mid is Leblanc. Release LB was batshit insane.

Imagine current LB, only with more damage and essentially no mana costs.

As in 5-10 mana difference in W and Q and like 10 more dmg on Q and slightly better ulti. She'd barely be perhaps balanced, not OP. She never was OP.

-_-

About Ziggs, he's going to be super imba no matter what. He has a 1400 range Q, an insane autoattack harrass and a minefield that appears to deal a total of like 1500 dmg or something insane like that. Oh and a jump that also knocks the enemy back
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 01 2012 08:15 GMT
#118
on ziggs: looks like he's gonna be a ton of fun to play, like fizz level of fun
for once, i feel like phreak really showed off a champ's potential during his spotlight. i realize he was 6-1 with 14 minute deathcap, but the way he PLAYED ziggs just made sense for his skillset.
probably going to be a righteous jungler with all dat aoe too.

also - i don't play dominion, but i bet dollars to donuts that ziggs is going to be a NIGHTMARE to play against on that map, lol. thank god they aren't balancing for dominion yet
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 01 2012 08:17 GMT
#119
4 game solo queue win streak with ad sona rofl. soooo much fun
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 01 2012 08:18 GMT
#120
On February 01 2012 16:58 ControlMonkey wrote:
I can't believe that no one has mentioned the rammus dance buff. Rammus now even more permaban.


I mentioned it on page 1.
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