EPTObviously lost my lane first, but was keeping up in #1 cs in game for longest time. Went 0-1-0 in lane, while my viktor went 0-7-0, then had my lanewick on bot berate "omg ad kennen, what a fuckign troll, why do i get troll on my team all the time? fucking retard kennen building wriggles". Game ends with us losing, obviously, but ended with highest farm on my team finished 1/1/1. I don't get whats with the stigma against ad kennen?
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Obviously lost my lane first, but was keeping up in #1 cs in game for longest time. Went 0-1-0 in lane, while my viktor went 0-7-0, then had my lanewick on bot berate "omg ad kennen, what a fuckign troll, why do i get troll on my team all the time? fucking retard kennen building wriggles". Game ends with us losing, obviously, but ended with highest farm on my team finished 1/1/1. I don't get whats with the stigma against ad kennen? | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
Personally I hate hate hate fighting against a decent AD Kennen bot, | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:33 RogerX wrote: I'm not sure about you, but people are much more understanding of AD Kennen now. Personally I hate hate hate fighting against a decent AD Kennen bot, I'd assume so, especially after iem kiev. But a lot of lol players are still pretty ignorant of pro scene, and often when i cite the source as to why I play Ad kennen, they berate me for "WELL ARE YOU PRO? NO. SO DON'T BE SUCH A SHEEP AND DON'T WHAT PRO'S DO." ironically enough, the current meta everyone is playing is what pro's worked out. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:26 r.Evo wrote: Welp. I tried to make her work top. I really did. But, welp. What DOES work great is Sej+a strong damage jungler. Lee/Nocturne, that type of stuff. For jungling I feel she's soooo slow and needs blue too much. Basicly everything she does (from the jungle) is done better and quicker by Maokai imoimo. Actually, I think Volibear does everything Sej does, only better. Voli's jungle is actually really strong, to the point that you just run at people, e them so they cant move (only e actually does damage) then kill them. A reposition is incredibly potent on ganks, only unlike singed, volibear actually jungles well. And his damage is like stupidly suprisingly good. I had games today where I literally 1v2 a carry and a support and like 5 separate 1v1s with carries way more fed than me and just killed them. Like even I didnt know where my damage came from, but it was there. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:26 r.Evo wrote: Welp. I tried to make her work top. I really did. But, welp. What DOES work great is Sej+a strong damage jungler. Lee/Nocturne, that type of stuff. For jungling I feel she's soooo slow and needs blue too much. Basicly everything she does (from the jungle) is done better and quicker by Maokai imoimo. Eh iunno. I don't know what my friend's running, but he maxes W first and he clears pretty well. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
 But the best thing has to be the portrait when u kill someone ^_^ Also, ashebuff, Ive been using her nonstop already, just keeps getting better yay | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote: Eh iunno. I don't know what my friend's running, but he maxes W first and he clears pretty well. I have played like 10-15 games with Sej, and she definitely can do decently well in jungle. She just has a problem where her low levels are out of whack cuz her cds are terrible, and her mid game is shit because her scaling is out of whack. Her late game is decent, but she doesnt bring enough utility or damage to the table to really make her a better pick than Mao, Rammus, or Alistar if you want that type of jungle. | ||
forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote: Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios... Talon, Orianna come to mind. We demand ratios! | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Imagine current LB, only with more damage and essentially no mana costs. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote: Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios... I think people are waaaaaaaaay too quick to judge. I remember people saying Volibear would be the most OP champ of all time on release, nope. | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
After playing Viktor for a couple games I have concluded that he is indeed garbage. His E is really his only decent move. His Q doesn't move fast enough to even be useful, his W takes too long to place and stun to actually be useful, and his passive is no good because it takes up an item slot and cannot be sold. Patch Notes: Power Transfer missile speed increased to 2000 from 1400 Gravity Field activation time reduced to 0.25 seconds from 0.5 Riot should pay me. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:33 RogerX wrote: I'm not sure about you, but people are much more understanding of AD Kennen now. Personally I hate hate hate fighting against a decent AD Kennen bot, now if only people were more understanding of my AD brand  | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On February 01 2012 15:09 wei2coolman wrote: Hate to start this discussion, but does anyone else feel that AD carries simply do way too much damage early game and late game? especially with skills like sivir's boomerang, and grave's buckshot. I just feel that riot has pushed the AD carry role simply too hard. The offense tree is still ridiculously stacked for AD carries, and the strength of all their items just seem ridiculously high, as compared to their defensive counterparts. yes, i agree 100% AD carries are the strongest champs offensively all throughout the game really want to see BF sword go back to 1800+ gold, all the bullshit AS steroids get dropped down to MF level, and most champs get a couple armor points extra OR ad carries base damages being slightly lowered it's just stupid that a champ like sivir/ez/graves can auto->skill->auto for 300-400+ damage even at level 1 and 2. i realize that this is balanced out by the fact that they are the weakest champs defensively, but holy shit, try ganking a bot lane as udyr/shyvana/skarner without ult/ww/any champ that doesn't have huge burst, cc, and a gap closer. champs like ezreal just turn and fight you, get you to 0 health in 3 hits, then trolol blink away then as soon as they get vamp scepter, if they're even slightly ahead, game is essentially over. push their advantage -> get close to dying -> lifesteal to full health in 1 wave and take your tower. AD carries are bullshit, i feel like a lot of the problem is power creep because all the new anti-carries and gap closers and stuff but holy shit if you don't like playing jump champs, bot lane is a fucking NIGHTMARE | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:43 forgotten0ne wrote: Anyone else feel like Ziggs could be the most op release champ of all time? It's all going to depend on his ratios... Gonna take something special to knock release XZ off his perch for that title... unless you want to count beta releases(in which case no retail release champ has come close). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 01 2012 17:12 red_ wrote: Gonna take something special to knock release XZ off his perch for that title... unless you want to count beta releases(in which case no retail release champ has come close). Beta Jax was preetty decent imo On February 01 2012 16:47 Two_DoWn wrote: The gold standard for AP mid is Leblanc. Release LB was batshit insane. Imagine current LB, only with more damage and essentially no mana costs. As in 5-10 mana difference in W and Q and like 10 more dmg on Q and slightly better ulti. She'd barely be perhaps balanced, not OP. She never was OP. -_- About Ziggs, he's going to be super imba no matter what. He has a 1400 range Q, an insane autoattack harrass and a minefield that appears to deal a total of like 1500 dmg or something insane like that. Oh and a jump that also knocks the enemy back | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
for once, i feel like phreak really showed off a champ's potential during his spotlight. i realize he was 6-1 with 14 minute deathcap, but the way he PLAYED ziggs just made sense for his skillset. probably going to be a righteous jungler with all dat aoe too. also - i don't play dominion, but i bet dollars to donuts that ziggs is going to be a NIGHTMARE to play against on that map, lol. thank god they aren't balancing for dominion yet | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:58 ControlMonkey wrote: I can't believe that no one has mentioned the rammus dance buff. Rammus now even more permaban. I mentioned it on page 1. | ||
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