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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
February 04 2012 15:15 GMT
#1101
Cait/Sona is a combo you pick to completely destroy the enemy bot lane. Sivir eventually takes so much damage that eventually she just can't farm, the CS difference come midgame should definitely be noticeable. The only thing that can turn the matchup is if sivir gets ganks since both sivir and nunu are VERY good at helping jungle ganks.
boomer hands
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 04 2012 15:15 GMT
#1102
Sona/Ashe >_> Nunu/Sivir should become pushed pretty hard and can't really get close or they get harrassed a ton
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
February 04 2012 15:19 GMT
#1103
Against sivir/nunu you can run sustain support + basically any ranged carry. Just actively trade but don't commit to fights till you have a significant hp/mana advantage. Champions like graves/trist/etc shine against the combo because they can still dodge sivir Q even while slowed by nunu.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
February 04 2012 15:31 GMT
#1104
On February 05 2012 00:19 Schwopzi wrote:
Against sivir/nunu you can run sustain support + basically any ranged carry. Just actively trade but don't commit to fights till you have a significant hp/mana advantage. Champions like graves/trist/etc shine against the combo because they can still dodge sivir Q even while slowed by nunu.

This is generally what I like to run in a duo bot lane. I prefer things like Trist/Kog combined with Soraka. Both of these champions are amazing carries in the super late game and having a sustain support like Soraka allows you to have a farm fest and allow the carry to get the farm they need.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
February 04 2012 15:43 GMT
#1105
I broke down and bought some RP the other day, and I saw Trynd was on sale for 297 so I bought him. I have to say, he is OP. I don't understand how he hasn't been nerfed really hard. My first game with him I carried 7/2/10 at the 25. This is me in the jungle, where I usually fail hard. And you also have to take into consideration that he is my first AD carry that I have ever played. My worst game with him was 3/3/9, and that's because I laned and had a KSing jungle shaco.

Is there something I don't know about him? Because right now I'm not sure why he isn't instabanned everygame
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
February 04 2012 15:48 GMT
#1106
On February 05 2012 00:31 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 00:19 Schwopzi wrote:
Against sivir/nunu you can run sustain support + basically any ranged carry. Just actively trade but don't commit to fights till you have a significant hp/mana advantage. Champions like graves/trist/etc shine against the combo because they can still dodge sivir Q even while slowed by nunu.

This is generally what I like to run in a duo bot lane. I prefer things like Trist/Kog combined with Soraka. Both of these champions are amazing carries in the super late game and having a sustain support like Soraka allows you to have a farm fest and allow the carry to get the farm they need.



Super champions for the late game yo! My last 15-20 games were a 20-25 minutes surrender.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 04 2012 16:12 GMT
#1107
On February 05 2012 00:43 Juddas wrote:
I broke down and bought some RP the other day, and I saw Trynd was on sale for 297 so I bought him. I have to say, he is OP. I don't understand how he hasn't been nerfed really hard. My first game with him I carried 7/2/10 at the 25. This is me in the jungle, where I usually fail hard. And you also have to take into consideration that he is my first AD carry that I have ever played. My worst game with him was 3/3/9, and that's because I laned and had a KSing jungle shaco.

Is there something I don't know about him? Because right now I'm not sure why he isn't instabanned everygame

Suggest you wait until you get into a game where the enemies understand that all kinds of cc and especially slows completely counter tryndamere and he's not that OP anyway, only if he decimates his lane
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
February 04 2012 16:16 GMT
#1108
But what about jungling? My laning game was really meh, especially since I was vs. a Cait and garen top. But jungling it just felt like I could just sit back and get my build up with relative ease while ganking mid and even bot
Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia326 Posts
February 04 2012 16:17 GMT
#1109
On February 05 2012 00:43 Juddas wrote:
I broke down and bought some RP the other day, and I saw Trynd was on sale for 297 so I bought him. I have to say, he is OP. I don't understand how he hasn't been nerfed really hard. My first game with him I carried 7/2/10 at the 25. This is me in the jungle, where I usually fail hard. And you also have to take into consideration that he is my first AD carry that I have ever played. My worst game with him was 3/3/9, and that's because I laned and had a KSing jungle shaco.

Is there something I don't know about him? Because right now I'm not sure why he isn't instabanned everygame


Your opponents probably just lack coordination. Tryn relies pretty heavily on auto attacking so stuff like Thornmail, Frozen Heart or any form of hard CC (stuns, binds, etc) for that matter shuts him down. Against glass cannon Tryn he just needs to be stunned and focused while a more tanky dps style requires someone to drag him out from team fights and stay on him.
In the Emperor we trust
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
February 04 2012 16:22 GMT
#1110
Ah well that makes plenty of sense when you put it that way. Thanks!
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
February 04 2012 16:36 GMT
#1111
On February 05 2012 01:22 Juddas wrote:
Ah well that makes plenty of sense when you put it that way. Thanks!


From my experiences I think trynd is really strong in normal. Lack of many forms of coordination easily lets trynd spin out of control. I find that I often have to take some special notice of him to try and weaken him before mid-late game. Much more so than for other champs.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 04 2012 16:41 GMT
#1112
actually he is also picked in competitive play. He has good and bad matchups but the combination of sustain, mobility and good scaling make him very solid.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 04 2012 17:14 GMT
#1113
Speaking of mobafire, I decided to take a look a the top-rated Karma guide, with 95% with 1080 votes!

And let's see what I see in the intro:
"
Now a word of caution... that was when I first tried out Karma. After the streak you see there (in which I had 18 wins and 3 losses), the matching system compensated by bumping my Elo rating massively and began matching me with mainly opponents with around 600 wins (or with terrible team mates - see more info about the Elo matching system below if curious). For reference, at the time I had about 90 wins and was a level 21. My WLR (win to loss ratio) has since stabilized... and understandably so, as I'm a recreational gamer now playing against people for whom League of Legends is their entire life and getting matched with the kind of team mates who run off to "defend the turret" from minions when pushing. This is the steep downside to being too successful with a character for too long, I can't play with many of the champs I used to play with anymore or experiment very freely because my Elo rating is so high." after a picture where he goes 18-3 in normal games




I think I should begin writing troll build guides for mobafire, super well-written but troll builds and guides, and try to get them highly-rated. =P Would that be fun?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 04 2012 17:18 GMT
#1114
So, it turns out Morello IS just trolling us with "chinese ezreal." Check the WE vs CLG game in day 3 of the OGN invitational. Its the same damn thing as US ezreal, and just as useless.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 04 2012 17:40 GMT
#1115
On February 04 2012 23:26 pschiu wrote:
So..... how come they are ok that people can't tell visually from the classic skin whether Kayle is male or female?

XD it's true. People still don't know kayle is a girl!
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 17:43:37
February 04 2012 17:43 GMT
#1116
On February 05 2012 02:40 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 23:26 pschiu wrote:
So..... how come they are ok that people can't tell visually from the classic skin whether Kayle is male or female?

XD it's true. People still don't know kayle is a girl!


Because new skins + champions makes more money then adding visual indicators of gender (read: breasts) to an old champion which no ones plays.
FADC
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 04 2012 17:50 GMT
#1117
On February 04 2012 23:49 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 23:26 pschiu wrote:
So..... how come they are ok that people can't tell visually from the classic skin whether Kayle is male or female?


That's why they gave a kayle skin for free to everybody so nobody actually uses the classic skin

NOOO I wasn't here in season 1! Sad day D:

Also kayle has bewbs ಠ_ಠ
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 17:53:39
February 04 2012 17:50 GMT
#1118
On February 05 2012 02:43 rwrzr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 02:40 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On February 04 2012 23:26 pschiu wrote:
So..... how come they are ok that people can't tell visually from the classic skin whether Kayle is male or female?

XD it's true. People still don't know kayle is a girl!


Because new skins + champions makes more money then adding visual indicators of gender (read: breasts) to an old champion which no ones plays.


You are talking about the champ that they gave away a skin for to anyone that played during season 1.

^^damnit.

On February 05 2012 02:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
So, it turns out Morello IS just trolling us with "chinese ezreal." Check the WE vs CLG game in day 3 of the OGN invitational. Its the same damn thing as US ezreal, and just as useless.


Your sample size of 1 elevates this from anectode to evidence.
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
February 04 2012 17:53 GMT
#1119
On February 05 2012 02:50 Unentschieden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 02:43 rwrzr wrote:
On February 05 2012 02:40 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On February 04 2012 23:26 pschiu wrote:
So..... how come they are ok that people can't tell visually from the classic skin whether Kayle is male or female?

XD it's true. People still don't know kayle is a girl!


Because new skins + champions makes more money then adding visual indicators of gender (read: breasts) to an old champion which no ones plays.


You are talking about the champ that they gave away a skin for to anyone that played during season 1.


How many people actually play kayle or know they have a skin for her? Also how many people actually got the skin because they play ranked?
FADC
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
February 04 2012 17:56 GMT
#1120
On February 05 2012 02:53 rwrzr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 02:50 Unentschieden wrote:
On February 05 2012 02:43 rwrzr wrote:
On February 05 2012 02:40 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On February 04 2012 23:26 pschiu wrote:
So..... how come they are ok that people can't tell visually from the classic skin whether Kayle is male or female?

XD it's true. People still don't know kayle is a girl!


Because new skins + champions makes more money then adding visual indicators of gender (read: breasts) to an old champion which no ones plays.


You are talking about the champ that they gave away a skin for to anyone that played during season 1.


How many people actually play kayle or know they have a skin for her? Also how many people actually got the skin because they play ranked?


You didn´t even have to play ranked. Just 10 non-practice matches. Also they updated the classic skin long before that anyway. Yeah the inital skin was bad because you couldn´t tell it was a girl but your accusation that Riot ignores this due to greed is questionable since they both updated her original skin AND gave her away for free.
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