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Agnosthar
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 08 2012 21:38 iCanada wrote: Why does no one play Fiddles mid? He is kinda frail, and has a hard time farming, but in terms of mathups there really aren't many he loses just because his lane sustain is pretty ridiculous. His farming is bad, but with a five second fear if a jungler ganks the other mid just dies 100% of the time. Best part is everyone and their moms dog thinks he sucks dick so you get away with the most ridiculous things ever. You can pretty much just play him a lot like you'd play pantheon. His sustain is so good once he hits level 3/4 (depending on when you get fear) you can just trade blows at any time and usually come out ahead. he might not have the killing power of say a LB, but I think he is a terror to lane against, and is just as good if not better than Vlad is. Because his kit leads to exceptionally efficient trading, you can easily zone and make it so thast you lane opponent can't really farm. So while oyu aren't farming well, neither are they. And thats not even getting into how dangerous he is once it hits late game... Once you grab a Zhoyna's and another big AP item Crowstorms just... melt... everything. He is pretty strong, as far as I am concerned. If anything, his Q is imbalanced. Fiddle has a number of key weaknesses that make him a bad middle.
So basically Fiddle can't do much of anything in lane. If the enemy has any sort of stun both his drain and his ult become ineffective, and almost all APs have one. Fiddle also can't clear a wave and go gank a lane because the enemy AP will always be able to do a better job of that. Fiddle might be able to force the lane into a draw with his sustain, but he's not going to accomplish much else and in many matchups is likely to lose outright. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On February 09 2012 00:47 ihasaKAROT wrote: Shyvana is more powerfull than a Kennen if you know what you are doing and play aggresive. You need your team to capitalize on your invading, clearing wards etc etc. If you have a braindead team, pick Kennen. With shyv, I can guarantee you that you can steal every blue, take every dragon, having a three level advantage lead on your opponents jungle, then still have your team tilt because 'you didn't gank'. So basically Fiddle can't do much of anything in lane. Fids just needs to rice and keep himself in a position to ult all over their team's face when you force an early dragon. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 09 2012 00:49 Seuss wrote: Fiddle has a number of key weaknesses that make him a bad middle.
So basically Fiddle can't do much of anything in lane. If the enemy has any sort of stun both his drain and his ult become ineffective, and almost all APs have one. Fiddle also can't clear a wave and go gank a lane because the enemy AP will always be able to do a better job of that. Fiddle might be able to force the lane into a draw with his sustain, but he's not going to accomplish much else and in many matchups is likely to lose outright. Joining that... He HAS to be immobile during his combo >.> If you ever try to do that against a skillshots based mage, you'll be dead in no time. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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ManyCookies
1164 Posts
Ultimate is essentially worthless midlane. If there's one thing Bots have taught me, it's that the Fear-Crowstorm combo is actually pretty effective. It's sub-optimal, but you don't actually need a bush if you're only against one person. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 09 2012 00:47 ihasaKAROT wrote: Shyvana is more powerfull than a Kennen if you know what you are doing and play aggresive. You need your team to capitalize on your invading, clearing wards etc etc. If you have a braindead team, pick Kennen. Thus, Kennen would be better for solo q, i.e. not relying on your team. On February 09 2012 00:49 Seuss wrote: Fiddle has a number of key weaknesses that make him a bad middle.
So basically Fiddle can't do much of anything in lane. If the enemy has any sort of stun both his drain and his ult become ineffective, and almost all APs have one. Fiddle also can't clear a wave and go gank a lane because the enemy AP will always be able to do a better job of that. Fiddle might be able to force the lane into a draw with his sustain, but he's not going to accomplish much else and in many matchups is likely to lose outright. Me, T_D, and Monte tested it out last night, so I agree with this. I was wondering the viability of Middlesticks myself, but he has too many downfalls right now. He also has very low range, and if he gets stunned, he dies. The charge up time on crowstorm makes Kennen ult >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fid ult, from a mid lane perspective. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On February 08 2012 18:18 zulu_nation8 wrote: cratzon's definition of poor behavior is having any kind of fun in normal I guess you can stop spamming me with 5 invites to a normal per day now. More like people whining that their teammates suck and being insufferable pricks. Of the hundreds of premade games I've done, not one made from LP was ever an enjoyable experience. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:23 ManyCookies wrote: If there's one thing Bots have taught me, it's that the Fear-Crowstorm combo is actually pretty effective. It's sub-optimal, but you don't actually need a bush if you're only against one person. Yeah if fiddles can ult you before you can run away, and he has decent items, and you have no MR or extra hp, and then he fears you before getting silenced or stunned, and then he drains you, and you don't fear run in the opposite direction, and you don't have tenacity, or the summoner spells heal or cleanse, and he is at least level 13 for max drain and fear then he can actually be effective in a 1v1 situation. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Udyr needs a good team. Even building tanky as hell and getting good ganks, once it rolls into teamfight time, if you don't have a competent team with you, you're dead. With a good team, he's a great damage and disruption tanky dps, but solo queueing rarely gives that as an option. Gangplank, on the other hand, can carry the hell out of games from the jungle even if your team is bad. After taking T_D's advice from the GP thread and just ignoring lanes unless there's an easy gank, all I did was farm with extra Q gold, supported with my ult, and carried as Atmogplank 9 times out of 10. Shyvana can't carry by herself. She can shut the enemy jungler down, turning the game into a 5v4, but she doesn't really have the straight up strength to carry a game past the midgame. She does well with a team that can take advantage of her ult's disruption and AoE damage, but again: solo queue. Skarner can. His innate strength makes him a dangerous 1v1er, invader, and ganker, and that transitions really well into the midgame with nothing but tanky items and a Triforce (and maybe Gunblade for the lulz). Flash ulting an enemy is so effective that even solo queue bads will take advantage of it and press the win from there. Anyway, just jungled a lot the past couple days and was bored. Feel free to tell me how wrong I am. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:53 Requizen wrote: Anyway, just jungled a lot the past couple days and was bored. Feel free to tell me how wrong I am. so wrong! :p I dunno you're probably right. I think I have the best experience jungling rammus, nunu, and twitch. A lot of the time I have to take a lane because you can't trust solo queue to not feed. Nunu can lane pretty well. | ||
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EffectS
Belgium795 Posts
Will give loads of hearties!! | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 09 2012 00:49 Seuss wrote: Fiddle has a number of key weaknesses that make him a bad middle.
So basically Fiddle can't do much of anything in lane. If the enemy has any sort of stun both his drain and his ult become ineffective, and almost all APs have one. Fiddle also can't clear a wave and go gank a lane because the enemy AP will always be able to do a better job of that. Fiddle might be able to force the lane into a draw with his sustain, but he's not going to accomplish much else and in many matchups is likely to lose outright. You missed one other problem with fiddle - his spell ranges are so short nearly every mid outranges him, even other champs that have short-range problems. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:33 Craton wrote: I guess you can stop spamming me with 5 invites to a normal per day now. More like people whining that their teammates suck and being insufferable pricks. Of the hundreds of premade games I've done, not one made from LP was ever an enjoyable experience. i'm sure i can change that! i think i'm fun to play with (or at least i hope i am) until someone acts rotten :D | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
A) ward. b) last hit. c) how to play more than 1 champion/role d) farm e) map awareness. Just noticing some really obvious stuff while i'm stuck at 1000~elo >.< | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:00 EffectS wrote: I'm looking for someone who can set me up with a korean account on the korean servers! Will give loads of hearties!! Do you have an ARC and number, or is that what you're asking for? If you have the number already then I can help you npnp, if you're hoping to find a donor, cannae help I'm afraid | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 09 2012 01:53 Requizen wrote: The more I play different jungle champs in solo queue, the more apparent it becomes as to which ones require a good team and which ones do not. Udyr needs a good team. Even building tanky as hell and getting good ganks, once it rolls into teamfight time, if you don't have a competent team with you, you're dead. With a good team, he's a great damage and disruption tanky dps, but solo queueing rarely gives that as an option. Gangplank, on the other hand, can carry the hell out of games from the jungle even if your team is bad. After taking T_D's advice from the GP thread and just ignoring lanes unless there's an easy gank, all I did was farm with extra Q gold, supported with my ult, and carried as Atmogplank 9 times out of 10. Shyvana can't carry by herself. She can shut the enemy jungler down, turning the game into a 5v4, but she doesn't really have the straight up strength to carry a game past the midgame. She does well with a team that can take advantage of her ult's disruption and AoE damage, but again: solo queue. Skarner can. His innate strength makes him a dangerous 1v1er, invader, and ganker, and that transitions really well into the midgame with nothing but tanky items and a Triforce (and maybe Gunblade for the lulz). Flash ulting an enemy is so effective that even solo queue bads will take advantage of it and press the win from there. Anyway, just jungled a lot the past couple days and was bored. Feel free to tell me how wrong I am. Don't know why you're hating on udyr. If you can't carry with him that's your problem, not his. I also feel a bit bad for destroying dyrus so hard in jungle yesterday, he got banned for raging and made a big reddit thread some hours after about all the EU west junglers being out to get him haha. Not my fault he can't jungle if his team doesn't pull when they go to steal my red. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: You should get ionic spark on voli so people will be confused as to whether you're using your ult :p Explain!? It's in the patch notes! Volibear Q now gives you some speed regardless of whether you're moving towards an enemy champion. That's a significant buff, IMO. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On February 09 2012 02:08 wei2coolman wrote: Hmmm, does anyone else notice that in low elo, people don't know how to.... A) ward. b) last hit. c) how to play more than 1 champion/role d) farm e) map awareness. Just noticing some really obvious stuff while i'm stuck at 1000~elo >.< haha, sometimes in normals i get reported/raged at for "afking" when i freeze a lane and farm it at my tower. | ||
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