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On January 22 2012 09:48 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 09:44 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On January 22 2012 08:49 TheYango wrote:On January 22 2012 08:46 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Supports need to do atleast 2 of 4 things, sustain, cc, buff, debuff, in order to be a "viable" support. Taric, alistar, soraka, janna, sona, nunu, leona (because of her passive), all do atleast 2. Nidalee only does 1. Add in the fact she already has a good lane and there's no reason to play her as support. This is of course specific to ad/support bot. This is how I look at it anyways. You're ignoring her 40% Armor/MR shred, which is arguably one of the strongest debuffs in the game? Though TBH, the majority of Nidalee players I've seen are pretty poor at using Bushwhack in combat, rather than just as a poor man's ward. It isn't an on demand shred. Which is why it doesn't count. Id argue tarics shred is harder to land than nids is, especially when you take risk into consideration. Your definition also leaves blitzcrank off the list as a viable support. And if you are counting leona's passive as a debuff (doing more damage) then you have to take into account the fact that nid does the most damage out of everyone you listed.
A Nidalee with no farm can't go cat form after the opposing AD based once >.> She's a melee/low range char, with no CC. Seriously, she's just terrible at being a support. Having a heal doesn't do everything.
She might be good with Ashe (since Ashe brings all the utility), but with more standard picks, I don't see how she is better than Orianna or Nunu.
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All she really has going for her is the heal/aspd steroid, but the heal does little without AP and if you're after aspd might as well nunu.
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So after 50+ games with Jax, I think I have found a very efficient build with the new jax.
Wriggles
Mercs
Rageblade (in lane go for those 8 stacks ult procs on Q-W, the damage is just insane)
Phage
Warmog
Triforce
Situational 6th item (usually GA)
I really wreck my lane with it, the rageblade with 8 stacks give you so much AP you just hit a creep, Q, auto, W, and you took something like 1/3rd of his life. The damage on Jax is just insane atm. And his early lvls are now very good with the E trick (you pull creep aggro if he pushes the slightest, already did a 200 damage E at lvl2 >.>).
He really has to be nerfed, he is waaaaaaay too powerful atm. I play him with Surge btw. Surge + ult + rageblade = godly teamfights damage even without going mainly offense items. Surge is just soooo good on Jax, it scales perfectly at all stages of the game, and is infinitely more valuable than Ignite in 5v5s.
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On January 22 2012 08:46 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 08:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
Why dont people run support nidalee more often? Nunu aspeed buff on a heal, great buff control, and she doesnt need items at 6 to turn into an actual legitimate damage dealer around dragon fights. Because nunu does isn't like that. attack speed and movement speed buff, 60% slow, including 25% attack speed, and 1000 damage cc bait ulti that slows movement speed 50% and attack speed 25%. Nunu is a dedicated anti ad carry/carry support buff/debuffer. Nidalee has a heal, and damage. Supports need to do atleast 2 of 4 things, sustain, cc, buff, debuff, in order to be a "viable" support. Taric, alistar, soraka, janna, sona, nunu, leona (because of her passive), all do atleast 2. Nidalee only does 1. Add in the fact she already has a good lane and there's no reason to play her as support. This is of course specific to ad/support bot. This is how I look at it anyways.
u forgot dat gp support
so pro
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Yo - the main reason nid isn't used as a support is that she's a lane dominator that does well with farm. No other support can really say that sans karma, which is the same reason you see karma mid not bot
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Nidalee does count as a support character according to riot and there's no real problem with running her as a support(at least at low levels). Like nunu or lux you also get the added bonus of actually doing some damage come late game.
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I just had the most satisfying moment so far in my LoL playing. Sure no one cares but I want to say it.
Maneuvering around Baron, Blitzcrank is in the bush and grabs Kassadin who R's away right back into his team, Sejuani Ults catching the 4 of them (their 5th is pushing back top lane,) she then charges in QE as Blitz flashes in and R's while I as Kennen flash in with E on, hit all of them, Press RW and get a Quadra.
Moments later enemy has surrendered 4-0
So retarded but so satisfying.
I wish LoL had replays just for that
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On January 22 2012 12:05 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Nidalee does count as a support character according to riot and there's no real problem with running her as a support(at least at low levels). Like nunu or lux you also get the added bonus of actually doing some damage come late game.
You really don't. At most you do some damage in the early/midgame where not having farm or levels hasn't fully impacted you. With minimal AP, your spears will do nearly no damage and you will die instantly jumping in as cougar.
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On January 22 2012 12:32 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 12:05 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Nidalee does count as a support character according to riot and there's no real problem with running her as a support(at least at low levels). Like nunu or lux you also get the added bonus of actually doing some damage come late game. You really don't. At most you do some damage in the early/midgame where not having farm or levels hasn't fully impacted you. With minimal AP, your spears will do nearly no damage and you will die instantly jumping in as cougar.
Yeah.. maybe not.
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how can u guys discuss nidalee as support and not talk about her as ad
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On January 22 2012 12:48 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
how can u guys discuss nidalee as support and not talk about her as ad
because someone was talking about supports that are only kinda support
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My thought was that philo-hog-surelias&randuins would actually make for a pretty decent build that would let you pick off any stragglers.
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On January 22 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 08:55 Ruken wrote:so I figured out that the best Garen build is to just buy all brush colored items. More camouflage and will be even more unsuspecting. ![[image loading]](http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1434/garenbuild.jpg) You got me to chuckle a bit. I dig it.
But but but what happens when the brush gets inevitably stained with the blood of your enemies...
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On January 22 2012 13:00 pschiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 08:58 wei2coolman wrote:On January 22 2012 08:55 Ruken wrote:so I figured out that the best Garen build is to just buy all brush colored items. More camouflage and will be even more unsuspecting. You got me to chuckle a bit. I dig it. But but but what happens when the brush gets inevitably stained with the blood of your enemies...
Collect it with a few BTs
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I gotta say, the 4% attack speed from the offensive mastery tree is very noticeable in lane.
I accidentally went support taric while still on my AD runes/masteries and I noticed right away that I was attacking way too fast at level 1.
Sivir + Taric with AD runes = strong
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Is there any way to view your replay or a replay of the game you just played? Just had a 1 and a half hour game with Vayne, and had a few sick quadras stutter steppin'.
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On January 22 2012 14:07 Mondeezy wrote:
Is there any way to view your replay or a replay of the game you just played? Just had a 1 and a half hour game with Vayne, and had a few sick quadras stutter steppin'.
there's a program called lolreplay or lolrecorder or something. it has to be running in order to record your replay though 
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Haha if anyone noticed, Cella is streaming LoL right now. He's Vayne and opens regrowth pendant into swift boots =P
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On January 22 2012 15:03 beefhamburger wrote:
Haha if anyone noticed, Cella is streaming LoL right now. He's Vayne and opens regrowth pendant into swift boots =P
Aren't those just the recommended items?
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