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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 20 2012 06:31 GMT
#1081
Wow I've never actually thought of Taric as a good support cause his heal isn't very good and neither is his armor aura. Don't quite understand how Leona supports either, I've always taken her as a tank that excels at initiating and focusing down specific heroes.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 20 2012 06:32 GMT
#1082
On January 20 2012 15:21 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:15 Chairman Ray wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:15 gtrsrs wrote:
On January 20 2012 13:12 Nos- wrote:
On January 20 2012 13:08 FR4CT4L wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2012 12:50 Nos- wrote:
Is it viable to solo queue ranked game to around 1500~ ELO on the NA servers? So far my record is equal number of wins to losses, as the quality of teammates is ridiculously erratic going from completely incompetent teams who have little idea what they're doing to people that coordinate ganks/dragons/baron/golems/pushes and play like a legitimate team. Has this been a common experience for anyone else on the NA servers?


Viable is such a bizarre choice of word. Is it possible to solo Q to that elo? Well yes just look at any of TL NA who are at or above 1500.

Is the quality of the games erratic? Well in my opinion it's hopelessly erratic with people doing some of the stupidest things I have ever seen even up to the highest I've been which is 1600. I do find this very odd since gold and above is supposed to be the top 3% of the ranked player base. On the other hand I think the only reason I see the games in this manner is that I'm not a 2k Elo player who can just put on the carry pants thus making the majority of their teams poor decisions negligible.

I recall locodoco saying once that grinding through I think it was 1500-1700~ was horrible and either side was smooth sailing but can't really tell how valid the statement is.



Problem is I really don't like playing carries. I much prefer playing the support role (ie Janna/soraka/sona) and help the team by placing down wards and calling for coordinated plays. Should I just learn how to carry a team and change up my playstyle?


Add chairman ray to your fl
He's a very capable player who mains support at gold level. His play is really solid and he's a TLer


Aww tanks <3

@Nos - At low ELO, Taric and Leona are able to carry since they punish the enemy hard for being out of position in lane. It happens a lot. They're especially good when you have a non range ad bot, which happens a lot in low ELO games. I've laned with trynds, cho gaths, annies, etc, and it's quite an effective combo. I got to 1400 with a 70% win rate as Taric. Once you are mid 1400's, the support role starts to become more useful to your team as a whole, but you no longer get easy lane kills, so learn all the supports to complement your team and counterpick the enemy team.

I have pretty much the exact opposite experience >_>

I'm always hovering around 1550 and my alistar's 0-4 ._. Taric is ok, but this was also below 1400 and nobody realized that taric has burst. Meanwhile my soraka is 80%~ with majority played at gold level.


You have to teach me how to play Soraka sometime then, she's my worst support
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 20 2012 06:37 GMT
#1083
step one, be nhat nguyen, step two, spend literally half the game alt tabbed answering irc questions in your soraka games at 2200 elo and win anyway
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 20 2012 06:42 GMT
#1084
Since people were talking about supports, my friend really likes Sona and wants to play more support champs. I'm pretty versed in AD carries so let's assume what AD carry he's gonna play with is irrelevant. I'm bad at support though so I dunno what champion to tell him to learn next. Any suggestions? I figured either Janna/Alistar/Soraka would probably make the most sense. Ideally he'll learn all three of them if he really wants to support.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 06:45:43
January 20 2012 06:44 GMT
#1085
Soraka is boss cuz then you can just run gay ass lanes like graves soraka. Ward properly and watch the enemy cs total stay at 0 as you push every wave to their tower.

Although learning soraka is essentially just picking her in a game, leveling w>e, then clicking on your ad carry. Not much to learn.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 20 2012 06:55 GMT
#1086
On January 20 2012 15:32 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:21 seRapH wrote:
On January 20 2012 15:15 Chairman Ray wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:15 gtrsrs wrote:
On January 20 2012 13:12 Nos- wrote:
On January 20 2012 13:08 FR4CT4L wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2012 12:50 Nos- wrote:
Is it viable to solo queue ranked game to around 1500~ ELO on the NA servers? So far my record is equal number of wins to losses, as the quality of teammates is ridiculously erratic going from completely incompetent teams who have little idea what they're doing to people that coordinate ganks/dragons/baron/golems/pushes and play like a legitimate team. Has this been a common experience for anyone else on the NA servers?


Viable is such a bizarre choice of word. Is it possible to solo Q to that elo? Well yes just look at any of TL NA who are at or above 1500.

Is the quality of the games erratic? Well in my opinion it's hopelessly erratic with people doing some of the stupidest things I have ever seen even up to the highest I've been which is 1600. I do find this very odd since gold and above is supposed to be the top 3% of the ranked player base. On the other hand I think the only reason I see the games in this manner is that I'm not a 2k Elo player who can just put on the carry pants thus making the majority of their teams poor decisions negligible.

I recall locodoco saying once that grinding through I think it was 1500-1700~ was horrible and either side was smooth sailing but can't really tell how valid the statement is.



Problem is I really don't like playing carries. I much prefer playing the support role (ie Janna/soraka/sona) and help the team by placing down wards and calling for coordinated plays. Should I just learn how to carry a team and change up my playstyle?


Add chairman ray to your fl
He's a very capable player who mains support at gold level. His play is really solid and he's a TLer


Aww tanks <3

@Nos - At low ELO, Taric and Leona are able to carry since they punish the enemy hard for being out of position in lane. It happens a lot. They're especially good when you have a non range ad bot, which happens a lot in low ELO games. I've laned with trynds, cho gaths, annies, etc, and it's quite an effective combo. I got to 1400 with a 70% win rate as Taric. Once you are mid 1400's, the support role starts to become more useful to your team as a whole, but you no longer get easy lane kills, so learn all the supports to complement your team and counterpick the enemy team.

I have pretty much the exact opposite experience >_>

I'm always hovering around 1550 and my alistar's 0-4 ._. Taric is ok, but this was also below 1400 and nobody realized that taric has burst. Meanwhile my soraka is 80%~ with majority played at gold level.


You have to teach me how to play Soraka sometime then, she's my worst support


How can one be bad with Soraka? :O

Heal/mana your carry whenever she needs it. If she's full mana, use E to dink some damage.
Open W. At levels 3 and 5, if you're winning your lane, max out E first. Otherwise, W to help sustain your AD in lane. Levels 8, 10 or 12, you can get your first level of Q. Starfall is still her best team fight skill because it MR shreds.
Max Heal first, 3 points into E at most, max Starfall second, Infuse last.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 20 2012 06:56 GMT
#1087
On January 20 2012 15:42 overt wrote:
Since people were talking about supports, my friend really likes Sona and wants to play more support champs. I'm pretty versed in AD carries so let's assume what AD carry he's gonna play with is irrelevant. I'm bad at support though so I dunno what champion to tell him to learn next. Any suggestions? I figured either Janna/Alistar/Soraka would probably make the most sense. Ideally he'll learn all three of them if he really wants to support.


As a jungler, tell him to get good at Janna.

A Janna lane is literally impossible to gank... if he can keep his AD up at decent levels and the AD can outharrass their AD you autowin the lane.

While not necessarily overpower or anything like that, I really hate playing against enemy janna's.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 20 2012 06:57 GMT
#1088
On January 20 2012 15:19 Two_DoWn wrote:
A decent support makes a decent ad carry look great.

A decent support makes a bad ad carry look decent.

A GREAT support makes a bad ad carry a god.


caveat - 'bad' is relative to other role-aware players. If the player isn't role-aware at all (be it from just being terrible, or from never playing AD), they'll just feed in lane and blame you.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 20 2012 07:00 GMT
#1089
On January 20 2012 15:42 overt wrote:
Since people were talking about supports, my friend really likes Sona and wants to play more support champs. I'm pretty versed in AD carries so let's assume what AD carry he's gonna play with is irrelevant. I'm bad at support though so I dunno what champion to tell him to learn next. Any suggestions? I figured either Janna/Alistar/Soraka would probably make the most sense. Ideally he'll learn all three of them if he really wants to support.


Learn all the basic support. Sona Taric Janna Ali. All them aid your AD by improving survivability.
Get that done, move on to more niche supports like Leona and Nunu.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:14:22
January 20 2012 07:11 GMT
#1090
On January 20 2012 14:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
God I feel so bad for dyrus. It looks like TSM turned down all the heat to the house when they left for Kiev, now dyrus has to huddle in a blanket for warmth.


How can he not waddle to wherever they turned it down and TURN IT BACK ON? =P


Also, holy fuck, that Shyv skin. I want it. Naow.


Edit:

@our favorite wabbit:
I found a stupid bug (feature?). When you sit on 4 items + 1x1 ward and 1x4 wards, you can't pull the single ward over to make the other stack 5 wards. They just switch places. Need to rebuy the solo ward and buy a new one. Real annoying. =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 20 2012 07:14 GMT
#1091
On January 20 2012 16:11 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
God I feel so bad for dyrus. It looks like TSM turned down all the heat to the house when they left for Kiev, now dyrus has to huddle in a blanket for warmth.


How can he not waddle to wherever they turned it down and TURN IT BACK ON? =P


Also, holy fuck, that Shyv skin. I want it. Naow.


Is there a new Shyv skin?

<3
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 20 2012 07:24 GMT
#1092
On January 20 2012 16:14 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 16:11 r.Evo wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
God I feel so bad for dyrus. It looks like TSM turned down all the heat to the house when they left for Kiev, now dyrus has to huddle in a blanket for warmth.


How can he not waddle to wherever they turned it down and TURN IT BACK ON? =P


Also, holy fuck, that Shyv skin. I want it. Naow.


Is there a new Shyv skin?

<3


Someone (I'm lazy sry) posted this pic on the last page or so:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
January 20 2012 07:36 GMT
#1093
No it's not a new skin.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 20 2012 07:40 GMT
#1094
On January 20 2012 16:24 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 16:14 iCanada wrote:
On January 20 2012 16:11 r.Evo wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
God I feel so bad for dyrus. It looks like TSM turned down all the heat to the house when they left for Kiev, now dyrus has to huddle in a blanket for warmth.


How can he not waddle to wherever they turned it down and TURN IT BACK ON? =P


Also, holy fuck, that Shyv skin. I want it. Naow.


Is there a new Shyv skin?

<3


Someone (I'm lazy sry) posted this pic on the last page or so:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I seen that before, I agree I'd buy it. I dunno if I'd use it over boneclaw though.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
January 20 2012 07:49 GMT
#1095
On January 20 2012 15:31 Nos- wrote:
Wow I've never actually thought of Taric as a good support cause his heal isn't very good and neither is his armor aura. Don't quite understand how Leona supports either, I've always taken her as a tank that excels at initiating and focusing down specific heroes.

Taric has a very balanced kit with auras, healing, and a hard CC, and his ultimate aura is stronger than baron buff at rank 2, nearly twice as strong at rank 3. He really brings teamfights together without having to communicate (his stun's slow projectile speed acts as a signal to teammates that they can move in/do whatever before it even lands), making him shine in solo queue.

Since we're on the subject of supports, I'll add that I'm 5-3 with Soraka, 6-3 with Blitz, and 5-0 with Taric in ranked, all games in the 1400-1700 range (I don't think <1400 games require a support). I'd play more support except ...I fucking hate playing support--It feels like the worst thing ever. I don't care if all of those wins were replaced with solo/AD/jungler losses, because I'd have had more fun and gotten practice at those roles as well. But alas, there are only so many creeps on the map, and they are so easy to farm, that a player must take one for the team and deny themselves gold and shiny items, and it might as well be the last-pick.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 08:02:57
January 20 2012 07:53 GMT
#1096
On January 20 2012 16:49 Flakes wrote:his ultimate aura is stronger than baron buff at rank 2, nearly twice as strong at rank 3.


This is categorically not true - Taric's ult's aura is 15/25/35, it's only his self-effect that's that high (and you get very little use from that). Outside of absolute burst damage, his ult is a worse version of Sona's Q because of uptime considerations. I really like Taric and enjoy playing him, but he really has very little going for him outside of a strong laning phase.

e: Seriously, don't play support sub-1400 - all of my support losses are from games where the team score was more than 15 kills in the enemy's favor by 20 minutes, almost all outside of my lane -_-.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
January 20 2012 07:56 GMT
#1097
whoops my bad on the numbers, no wonder old Taric felt so much stronger lol
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 08:00:12
January 20 2012 08:00 GMT
#1098
On the other hand I've never lost mid lane all two times I've played AP taric and went legendary.
boomer hands
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 20 2012 08:07 GMT
#1099
You can sort of play support at 1400+, but I have a new account which is currently at 1100, NEVER play support at that ELO. Ad carries don't even know what CS is (literally), and you will lose.

Playing at this low ELO is really weird, its gonna be really slow going. Some games feel fine and pretty normal, some games are unbelievable with people ending the game sub30 CS and losing tower as AP sion in under 5 minutes.

Just last game some kid locks shaco and plants no boxes in jungle, ganks lanes by charging into lane and then deceiving to chase....like wtf. I went 8-4 Xerath and my team only had 10 kills.

Lanes are just so unstable at super low elo, nobody knows how to play safe and every game is just a stomp from one side or the other.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 08:29:55
January 20 2012 08:28 GMT
#1100
just random locked lux right now and played her as an ap support bot. so fun when the bot lane fed us hard lol. lux trist too strong got some stacks and started playing stupidly reckless. Ahh, this game is a lot more entertaining when not playing seriously
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