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On January 17 2012 12:31 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 12:25 Craton wrote:
Skarner ruined, nerfed the completely wrong things
So annoyed wat? 1) Do you think Skarner needed a nerf? 2) If yes, where does he need a nerf, if not Crystal Slash?
Yes
Nerf Q CD / Slow % / Damage, not the mana cost. Now you've just reverted him to being massively blue dependent and constantly unable to do anything; it's stupid. That was the single biggest issue with him before the previous buffs. Ult should not last 2 seconds, either.
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So going down the list:
Ahri - Trivial nerf
Mundo - I dunno if this will change much
Graves - Decent nerfs, need to see in action
Jarvan - Useful mana buffs. He's already pretty viable at all levels and a big limiting factor was going oom really fast in the jungle, even with a philo.
Jax - Probably will be super OP
Nunu - lol...
Rammus - Sad about the speed nerfs, but I doubt it has much of an effect on balance. If I can play him again that'd be swell.
Riven - What a joke. There's no nerf here.
Shaco - Nerfs that gimmicky opener, but overall effect is trivial beyond that.
Skarner - Raped
Trynd - Why they ever thought a 100ad debuff was a good idea is beyond me, but it's still crazy strong and I don't think his overall power level will change very much.
Vayne - Potentially decent nerfs.
Vladimir - Stop trying to make people play this champ more -_-
Volibear - Been underrated since week after release, maybe next top jungler
WW - Helps jungling a bit, but not much overall impact
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So long as ignite exists, mundo will always be a troll pick.
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On January 17 2012 12:57 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 17 2012 12:40 warscythes wrote:On January 17 2012 12:37 NeoIllusions wrote:So, biggest nerfs/buffs this patch? + Show Spoiler [Biggest Nerf] +Probably to Trynd. Riot just took a shit on his lane sustain. Now it really time for the try and true Tryndameres to shine. Late game hasn't changed at all for him, he's still a godly carry. But now you have to think about trading attacks in lane, instead of "herp derp Q, lol harassing me bro?" Biggest nerf is Skarner. Biggest buff seems to be Jax. Just my opinion. Skarner feels like a huge nerf but you just have to be smarter now. Sorry Skarner players (myself included), you can't spam Q 24/7 in jungle anymore to clear camps at mach 3 speed. Jax is a remake, not really a buff. He's a totally new champion. Passive and 2 abilities changed, that's over half his kit. then whats the point of his q being such a low cd? feels completely arbitrary that you cant spam q in jungle, but the mana cost isnt too high to spam in a gank. perhaps this change will seperate the good skarners from the great skarners...
Keeps it really strong in ganks/team fights/skirmishes. Just hitting Skarner's ability to zoom-fucking-zoom through the jungle. It was a nerf to his jangling speed, not to his overall skill.
Even if you engage with half mana, you'll have enough to continually use Q for a good 5-8 seconds of that fight.
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i dont see the graves mana change being a big deal, if you have soraka you still arent going oom. if you dont have her you have sona and she can do enough poke for 2 anyway.
as far as i saw vayne changes were just a little bit of early game dmg? which seems odd. 10 ad when u have 100 ad is a big deal, 10 add when you have 400 ad not so much. vaynes laning isnt her problem and i dont care what people on reddit say its not tumble either. %hp in true dmg is what separates the good carries from the great carries.
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On January 17 2012 13:00 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 12:31 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 17 2012 12:25 Craton wrote:
Skarner ruined, nerfed the completely wrong things
So annoyed wat? 1) Do you think Skarner needed a nerf? 2) If yes, where does he need a nerf, if not Crystal Slash? Yes Nerf Q CD / Slow % / Damage, not the mana cost. Now you've just reverted him to being massively blue dependent and constantly unable to do anything; it's stupid. That was the single biggest issue with him before the previous buffs. Ult should not last 2 seconds, either.
Hmm, I actually like your idea better. :O I stand corrected.
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On January 17 2012 13:03 seRapH wrote:
Smash vs Jiji on stream~
EDIT: Nevermind, he is the Sion
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On January 17 2012 13:04 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 13:00 Craton wrote:On January 17 2012 12:31 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 17 2012 12:25 Craton wrote:
Skarner ruined, nerfed the completely wrong things
So annoyed wat? 1) Do you think Skarner needed a nerf? 2) If yes, where does he need a nerf, if not Crystal Slash? Yes Nerf Q CD / Slow % / Damage, not the mana cost. Now you've just reverted him to being massively blue dependent and constantly unable to do anything; it's stupid. That was the single biggest issue with him before the previous buffs. Ult should not last 2 seconds, either. Hmm, I actually like your idea better. :O I stand corrected.
they did that too
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Pretty big nerfs for Vayne and Graves although I believe they will still be viable.
The nerfs/buffs this patch seem well thought out imo. The ahri changes are quite small but definitely in the right direction.
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They didn't change the CD on Q. The infuriating thing about Skarner was two-fold: how stupidly strong his ult could be just by spamming movespeed (which you get free on W and generally from an item like triforce) + flash and then how suppressive his Q spam was. Right as the Q slow ends, the cd pops back up and you get slowed again ad infinitum. If you make Q 4.5 second CD and drop the slow to like 35-40%, you solve a lot of that. It really just shouldn't be possible to drag someone half a lane worth of distance like it is right now.
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So what builds are you guys thinking to try out on jax?
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Sivir is alone at OP tier now, imo.
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her ult is a team buff
which means shes trash tier solo queue because team mates are retards
true story
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The WW buff is nice. With max CDR (which isn't hard since most good WW go FH anyways), you can have Hunter's Call on just about perma-on spam.
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You don't need a good team for them to utilize a massive movespeed and attack speed buff. They do what they would always do and just do it better. You can't fight against it in most situations, but you can't run from it either.
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worried abit about how this will effect vayne's already weak early laning phase
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Kennen untouched = 
WotA untouched = 
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On January 17 2012 13:18 starfries wrote:Kennen untouched = WotA untouched =
yep just bought me kennen + artic skin after patch were released, at least another 2 weeks of abusing the hell out of that
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On January 17 2012 13:20 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 13:18 starfries wrote:Kennen untouched = WotA untouched = yep just bought me kennen + artic skin after patch were released, at least another 2 weeks of abusing the hell out of that
Hue. Called this half a year ago. I'm not aware of any Kennen nerfs atm but I'll check.
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I think phreak's opponents in this spotlight are the worst yet. They cannot seem to do anything right.
On January 17 2012 13:22 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 13:20 NotSorry wrote:On January 17 2012 13:18 starfries wrote:Kennen untouched = WotA untouched = yep just bought me kennen + artic skin after patch were released, at least another 2 weeks of abusing the hell out of that Hue. Called this half a year ago.
When you were wrong? Nice.
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