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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 04:07:57
January 17 2012 04:00 GMT
#41
On January 17 2012 12:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 12:25 Craton wrote:
Skarner ruined, nerfed the completely wrong things

So annoyed


wat?
1) Do you think Skarner needed a nerf?
2) If yes, where does he need a nerf, if not Crystal Slash?

Yes

Nerf Q CD / Slow % / Damage, not the mana cost. Now you've just reverted him to being massively blue dependent and constantly unable to do anything; it's stupid. That was the single biggest issue with him before the previous buffs. Ult should not last 2 seconds, either.

--

So going down the list:

Ahri - Trivial nerf
Mundo - I dunno if this will change much
Graves - Decent nerfs, need to see in action
Jarvan - Useful mana buffs. He's already pretty viable at all levels and a big limiting factor was going oom really fast in the jungle, even with a philo.
Jax - Probably will be super OP
Nunu - lol...
Rammus - Sad about the speed nerfs, but I doubt it has much of an effect on balance. If I can play him again that'd be swell.
Riven - What a joke. There's no nerf here.
Shaco - Nerfs that gimmicky opener, but overall effect is trivial beyond that.
Skarner - Raped
Trynd - Why they ever thought a 100ad debuff was a good idea is beyond me, but it's still crazy strong and I don't think his overall power level will change very much.
Vayne - Potentially decent nerfs.
Vladimir - Stop trying to make people play this champ more -_-
Volibear - Been underrated since week after release, maybe next top jungler
WW - Helps jungling a bit, but not much overall impact
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 17 2012 04:01 GMT
#42
So long as ignite exists, mundo will always be a troll pick.
liftlift > tsm
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
January 17 2012 04:03 GMT
#43
Smash vs Jiji on stream~
boomer hands
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 04:03 GMT
#44
On January 17 2012 12:57 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 17 2012 12:40 warscythes wrote:
On January 17 2012 12:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, biggest nerfs/buffs this patch?
+ Show Spoiler [Biggest Nerf] +
Probably to Trynd. Riot just took a shit on his lane sustain. Now it really time for the try and true Tryndameres to shine. Late game hasn't changed at all for him, he's still a godly carry. But now you have to think about trading attacks in lane, instead of "herp derp Q, lol harassing me bro?"

+ Show Spoiler [Biggest Buff] +
Obviously Jarman, am I rite?
+ Show Spoiler +
j/k... Vlad though, 'nuff said.


Biggest nerf is Skarner.

Biggest buff seems to be Jax.

Just my opinion.


Skarner feels like a huge nerf but you just have to be smarter now. Sorry Skarner players (myself included), you can't spam Q 24/7 in jungle anymore to clear camps at mach 3 speed.

Jax is a remake, not really a buff. He's a totally new champion. Passive and 2 abilities changed, that's over half his kit.



then whats the point of his q being such a low cd? feels completely arbitrary that you cant spam q in jungle, but the mana cost isnt too high to spam in a gank. perhaps this change will seperate the good skarners from the great skarners...


Keeps it really strong in ganks/team fights/skirmishes. Just hitting Skarner's ability to zoom-fucking-zoom through the jungle. It was a nerf to his jangling speed, not to his overall skill.

Even if you engage with half mana, you'll have enough to continually use Q for a good 5-8 seconds of that fight.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 17 2012 04:03 GMT
#45
i dont see the graves mana change being a big deal, if you have soraka you still arent going oom. if you dont have her you have sona and she can do enough poke for 2 anyway.

as far as i saw vayne changes were just a little bit of early game dmg? which seems odd. 10 ad when u have 100 ad is a big deal, 10 add when you have 400 ad not so much. vaynes laning isnt her problem and i dont care what people on reddit say its not tumble either. %hp in true dmg is what separates the good carries from the great carries.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 04:04 GMT
#46
On January 17 2012 13:00 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 12:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 17 2012 12:25 Craton wrote:
Skarner ruined, nerfed the completely wrong things

So annoyed


wat?
1) Do you think Skarner needed a nerf?
2) If yes, where does he need a nerf, if not Crystal Slash?

Yes

Nerf Q CD / Slow % / Damage, not the mana cost. Now you've just reverted him to being massively blue dependent and constantly unable to do anything; it's stupid. That was the single biggest issue with him before the previous buffs. Ult should not last 2 seconds, either.


Hmm, I actually like your idea better. :O I stand corrected.
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warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 04:07:11
January 17 2012 04:05 GMT
#47
On January 17 2012 13:03 seRapH wrote:
Smash vs Jiji on stream~


EDIT: Nevermind, he is the Sion
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 17 2012 04:06 GMT
#48
On January 17 2012 13:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 13:00 Craton wrote:
On January 17 2012 12:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 17 2012 12:25 Craton wrote:
Skarner ruined, nerfed the completely wrong things

So annoyed


wat?
1) Do you think Skarner needed a nerf?
2) If yes, where does he need a nerf, if not Crystal Slash?

Yes

Nerf Q CD / Slow % / Damage, not the mana cost. Now you've just reverted him to being massively blue dependent and constantly unable to do anything; it's stupid. That was the single biggest issue with him before the previous buffs. Ult should not last 2 seconds, either.


Hmm, I actually like your idea better. :O I stand corrected.



they did that too
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
January 17 2012 04:08 GMT
#49
Pretty big nerfs for Vayne and Graves although I believe they will still be viable.

The nerfs/buffs this patch seem well thought out imo. The ahri changes are quite small but definitely in the right direction.
Retvrn to Forvms
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 04:15:59
January 17 2012 04:11 GMT
#50
They didn't change the CD on Q. The infuriating thing about Skarner was two-fold: how stupidly strong his ult could be just by spamming movespeed (which you get free on W and generally from an item like triforce) + flash and then how suppressive his Q spam was. Right as the Q slow ends, the cd pops back up and you get slowed again ad infinitum. If you make Q 4.5 second CD and drop the slow to like 35-40%, you solve a lot of that. It really just shouldn't be possible to drag someone half a lane worth of distance like it is right now.
twitch.tv/cratonz
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 17 2012 04:12 GMT
#51
So what builds are you guys thinking to try out on jax?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 17 2012 04:14 GMT
#52
Sivir is alone at OP tier now, imo.
twitch.tv/cratonz
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 17 2012 04:15 GMT
#53
her ult is a team buff

which means shes trash tier solo queue because team mates are retards

true story
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 17 2012 04:16 GMT
#54
The WW buff is nice. With max CDR (which isn't hard since most good WW go FH anyways), you can have Hunter's Call on just about perma-on spam.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 17 2012 04:16 GMT
#55
You don't need a good team for them to utilize a massive movespeed and attack speed buff. They do what they would always do and just do it better. You can't fight against it in most situations, but you can't run from it either.
twitch.tv/cratonz
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 17 2012 04:18 GMT
#56
worried abit about how this will effect vayne's already weak early laning phase
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 17 2012 04:18 GMT
#57
Kennen untouched =
WotA untouched =
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 17 2012 04:20 GMT
#58
On January 17 2012 13:18 starfries wrote:
Kennen untouched =
WotA untouched =

yep just bought me kennen + artic skin after patch were released, at least another 2 weeks of abusing the hell out of that
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 17 2012 04:22 GMT
#59
On January 17 2012 13:20 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 13:18 starfries wrote:
Kennen untouched =
WotA untouched =

yep just bought me kennen + artic skin after patch were released, at least another 2 weeks of abusing the hell out of that

Hue. Called this half a year ago. I'm not aware of any Kennen nerfs atm but I'll check.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 17 2012 04:24 GMT
#60
I think phreak's opponents in this spotlight are the worst yet. They cannot seem to do anything right.

On January 17 2012 13:22 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 13:20 NotSorry wrote:
On January 17 2012 13:18 starfries wrote:
Kennen untouched =
WotA untouched =

yep just bought me kennen + artic skin after patch were released, at least another 2 weeks of abusing the hell out of that

Hue. Called this half a year ago.


When you were wrong? Nice.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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