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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Biggest Nerf] + Probably to Trynd. Riot just took a shit on his lane sustain. Now it really time for the try and true Tryndameres to shine. Late game hasn't changed at all for him, he's still a godly carry. But now you have to think about trading attacks in lane, instead of "herp derp Q, lol harassing me bro?" + Show Spoiler [Biggest Buff] + | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:37 TheYango wrote: I'm confused why Riot has this weird attitude about Crystal Slash. Why are the only choices between low and flat mana cost, and high and scaling? Why couldn't they have just made the mana cost 22 flat at all ranks, instead of having scaling mana cost? I'm wondering about this too. Gonna go ask Zileas. | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:37 NeoIllusions wrote: So, biggest nerfs/buffs this patch? + Show Spoiler [Biggest Nerf] + Probably to Trynd. Riot just took a shit on his lane sustain. Now it really time for the try and true Tryndameres to shine. Late game hasn't changed at all for him, he's still a godly carry. But now you have to think about trading attacks in lane, instead of "herp derp Q, lol harassing me bro?" + Show Spoiler [Biggest Buff] + Biggest nerf is Skarner. Biggest buff seems to be Jax. Just my opinion. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:40 warscythes wrote: Biggest nerf is Skarner. Biggest buff seems to be Jax. Just my opinion. Skarner feels like a huge nerf but you just have to be smarter now. Sorry Skarner players (myself included), you can't spam Q 24/7 in jungle anymore to clear camps at mach 3 speed. Jax is a remake, not really a buff. He's a totally new champion. Passive and 2 abilities changed, that's over half his kit. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:43 Requizen wrote: Riven's is actually a damage buff overall? Neat. Is it really? huehuehue Riot. Level 18 Riven even stronker now? --; | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:39 Chairman Ray wrote: Well now ww and nunu jungle are back to being viable hopefully. Gonna try the out. I wouldn't go that far. Nunu's jungle kit is still primarily centered around counterjungling. The speed at which he autoattacks a camp to death is only pretty minutely relevant. Small camp counterjungling isn't as damaging as it used to be. Unless that changes, Nunu isn't going to be coming back into his prime anytime soon. On January 17 2012 12:45 NeoIllusions wrote: Is it really? huehuehue Riot. Level 18 Riven even stronker now? --; If Riot thinks that people will actually want to level Q over W now, they're sorely mistaken. 5-10 points of damage here and there is meaningless when W's CD drops by 1/3 over 5 ranks, and Q's doesn't change at all. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
Not that she didn't need fixing, but still.. | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:45 NeoIllusions wrote: Is it really? huehuehue Riot. Level 18 Riven even stronker now? --; She lost 40 base damage on her W while gaining 20 per hit on her Q. What Riven usually does in lane is that she would E/Q to you, W, maybe AA and then just QQ away. Her shield absorb any kind of harass, her stun slow you down and you cannot catch her to do much damage. Now if she has to max Q to do damage then it means you get to fight back, especially with regen nerf. It is a buff late game technically but it is definitely an early game nerf. About skarner, I do not play him but it seems like the biggest to me. Thanks for telling me that it might not be too bad though. Jax's numbers just look insane to me, I have to test it out but he looks perma ban material, that or I am knee-jerking right now. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
His E is now much shittier. 2 seconds of invulnerability to autoattacks is nice, but a constant 30%+ damage reduction from all autos is much much better. His passive is shittier; 'nuff said (altho before it was admittedly on the strong side). His ulti is less useful imo because while it gives him huge damage boost, Jax really benefited from the survivability his ultimate active used to give. Won't know til I play him tho. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:45 TheYango wrote: If Riot thinks that people will actually want to level Q over W now, they're sorely mistaken. 5-10 points of damage here and there is meaningless when W's CD drops by 1/3 over 5 ranks, and Q's doesn't change at all. Why don't I know how to play Riven... zzz On January 17 2012 12:46 jtype wrote: That Vayne nerf seems a bit harsh.. and odd.. Not that she didn't need fixing, but still.. Vayne nerf feels like a nerf towards tournament players. Not much much everyday play. Just imo. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13931 Posts
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warscythes
365 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:48 Ryuu314 wrote: I feel like Jax just got hit hard. His E is now much shittier. 2 seconds of invulnerability to autoattacks is nice, but a constant 30%+ damage reduction from all autos is much much better. His passive is shittier; 'nuff said (altho before it was admittedly on the strong side). His ulti is less useful imo because while it gives him huge damage boost, Jax really benefited from the survivability his ultimate active used to give. Won't know til I play him tho. Doesn't counter strike only provide 18% dodge chance? Or are you counting masteries and runes too with boots. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:52 warscythes wrote: Doesn't counter strike only provide 18% dodge chance? 18% dodge chance+9% dodge from runes+12% from Tabis comes out to around 30% dodge. Even with no runes and boots, 18% is still a very hefty amount. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:43 NeoIllusions wrote: Skarner feels like a huge nerf but you just have to be smarter now. Sorry Skarner players (myself included), you can't spam Q 24/7 in jungle anymore to clear camps at mach 3 speed. Jax is a remake, not really a buff. He's a totally new champion. Passive and 2 abilities changed, that's over half his kit. then whats the point of his q being such a low cd? feels completely arbitrary that you cant spam q in jungle, but the mana cost isnt too high to spam in a gank. perhaps this change will seperate the good skarners from the great skarners... | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:22 wussleeQ wrote: Has anyone in PBE tried the tabis? They look interestingg It's like no one ever cares when I talk about PBE changes. I posted screenshots like 2 months ago zzzz ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kMU6J.jpg) Dem Vayne changes QQ. Favourite AD. (Mostly because MONHUN Skin is so good hue) | ||
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