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Also Viktor and Jax buffs. Tried a bit of Jax, played awfully bad (his jungle's so slow, even with AS reds x_o) but he's fun, and not expensive, so...
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also Viktor and Jax buffs. Tried a bit of Jax, played awfully bad (his jungle's so slow, even with AS reds x_o) but he's fun, and not expensive, so... | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
No need to buff :T | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:32 sob3k wrote: His kit is sick good Q: Fat shortrange nuke with shield to discourage jumping him W. No, seriously, you jump me im gonna fuck you in the ass, all of you E. Poke all day while running away R. GET OFF MY NUTS OR TAKE 2600 DAMAGE He's like the best utility poker/harasser in the game, his kit so heavily discourages initiating onto him or his team. I agree that parts of his kit look really appealing, but utility on an ap carry is incredibly hard to make viable. Outside of his ult (which is honestly really good now if he survives long enough, now), he has trouble with sustained damage in a fight, and obviously is not a burst champion. Utility is great when you survive long enough to make use of it. The only "utility" ap carries I see do well are Galio, who obviously has built in tanky effectiveness with his passive, W and ult. Everyone with utility has been either a support or a tank to be very viable, which Viktor isn't (non tanky base stats, very limited amount of survivability in his skills), on top of having a non existent passive. His E is mediocre at best for his main damage as an ap carry. I was trying to be concise when I said crappy, but that was a bit of a narrowminded thing to say. I think there are fundamental problems with his stats and kit. He feels like he'll fall into the same nebulous area as Kayle, pokey ap with some great utility skills, but doesn't fill necessary roles like as good as other champs to be extremely viable. I could very well be proven wrong but I dunno, frail utility characters aren't my thing. Q is meh, E is meh, W is really good but a utility skill on an ap carry (kind of like Cassio W without the added benefit of Cassio's E, if you get my drift). His ult is really good unless he dies, which seems prone to happen even with his "counter initiating" ability, which usually means running away and making his ult that much less effective. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:47 Craton wrote: WotA nerf was dumb. Should've nerfed the stacking. Can they just nerf the healing of spellvamp on manaless champions to 35-50% or something and call it a day? | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Viktor gonna start being insta-ban, and I'm gonna be a sad AP player I dunno. The other 8-9 champions that are in desperate need of banning basically got ignored or had no meaningful changes, so even when his ult is OP as fk I dunno that he'll get banned that much. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:53 RogerX wrote: Teamfight, AOE stun and a good lazer combo with ult can be pretty damn scary. I'm not saying it's not, I just think his role is too nebulous and ineffective for him to be super viable in comparison to other great AP carries you're more often likely to see. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:19 UniversalSnip wrote: His ult did NOT need more damage... haha. Lol it already oneshots an entire team. <3 I'll be enjoying carrying noobs with my Augment Q Viktor (buff it plz so it's even more imba) On February 01 2012 10:55 Craton wrote: I dunno. The other 8-9 champions that are in desperate need of banning basically got ignored or had no meaningful changes, so even when his ult is OP as fk I dunno that he'll get banned that much. Btw you guys serious? Viktor will still be UP unless played by me with Augment Q, but they all go Augment E so he'll be awful | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:57 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Nothing is going to beat cassiopiea. 25% movement speed buff attached to 450 damage. Plus an aoe slow, plus a single target nuke on a .5 second cd, plus an frontal cone stun nuke. She's like a mash up of annie and brand into this unkillable beast. Also I never knew cassio's q increases her movement speed, I was wondering how the fuck she could keep up with nunu. She and Ryze are pretty much the best ap carries. Nearly unparalleled sustained damage with survivability (different kind for each, Cassio has mad kiting and usually spell vamp with crazy damage, Ryze has tankiness). They're obviously not perfect or uncounterable, but so incredibly solid at pretty much all phases of the game. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
i think viktor's problem is that if he falls behind he is useless. what this says about his kit is up for discussion. for comparisons, other APs when behind can rely on superior initiation, CC, and utility for ganks to catch back up or to put pressure on the enemy laner, or on their superior scaling to wait on in the lategame (or a combination of the two: hi cass!). viktor does not have the instantaneous CC, mobility, or range to make up for a decided lack of either in my opinion. Increasing his numbers will only increase the number of scenarios or lanes in which he instastomps an enemy (when he is in the lead, i do think he is a real threat and powerful). but in competitive play, in these scenarios and more neutral lanes, a jungler or roamer willing to put in the effort to make the lane playable or winnable for viktor's opponent that has superior utility or damage. someone told me that viktor's ultimate and w forces the enemy team to disperse and messes up positioning. i feel that there are too many other picks that have similar or superior effect (gragas' ult's instantaneous destruction and immediate and unalterable repositioning, cass's instant huge damage and stun / slow, various aoe CC's and mobile champs that can bait favorable fights while dealing good damage and single target cc [kass / ahri]) who can manage to play from a unfavorable situation. i personally dislike such polar champs (win lane, win game, lose lane, lose game). obviously this is a large generalization but i feel it holds more true for viktor than for most other APs. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
And the new items are pretty neat. going to test them for sure | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
nice they actually used my idea. when i was getting my account unbanned from permanent ban Rivington said he would pass on this idea to the design team and guess they did it pretty quick. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:03 Navi wrote: was just discussing dis in LP (more than 1 person talking at a time!) i think viktor's problem is that if he falls behind he is useless. what this says about his kit is up for discussion. for comparisons, other APs when behind can rely on superior initiation, CC, and utility for ganks to catch back up or to put pressure on the enemy laner, or on their superior scaling to wait on in the lategame (or a combination of the two: hi cass!). viktor does not have the instantaneous CC, mobility, or range to make up for a decided lack of either in my opinion. Increasing his numbers will only increase the number of scenarios or lanes in which he instastomps an enemy (when he is in the lead, i do think he is a real threat and powerful). but in competitive play, in these scenarios and more neutral lanes, a jungler or roamer willing to put in the effort to make the lane playable or winnable for viktor's opponent that has superior utility or damage. someone told me that viktor's ultimate and w forces the enemy team to disperse and messes up positioning. i feel that there are too many other picks that have similar or superior effect (gragas' ult's instantaneous destruction and immediate and unalterable repositioning, cass's instant huge damage and stun / slow, various aoe CC's and mobile champs that can bait favorable fights while dealing good damage and single target cc [kass / ahri]) who can manage to play from a unfavorable situation. i personally dislike such polar champs (win lane, win game, lose lane, lose game). obviously this is a large generalization but i feel it holds more true for viktor than for most other APs. Well even if you take that to be true its really hard to lose lane as Viktor, he can just sit back and clear the whole wave with E, He's extremely hard to gank or kill in lane with QW. E has 700 range to start, and something ridiculous like 1100 max range and can be cast while moving....its the best farming skill in the game. I know when I play Viktor that he feels like one of the safest mids. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:03 Brees wrote: Spectator mode will now indicate if a Champion is at very low health on the side bars to draw attention to the area nice they actually used my idea. when i was getting my account unbanned from permanent ban Rivington said he would pass on this idea to the design team and guess they did it pretty quick. They have that implemented already on tourny realm I think, the King of Europe broadcast had the low hp champs' icons flashing red on the side. I guess this just means that it'll go live. | ||
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
I just hope that consideration of the skill required to effectively play a champ is taken into account when looking at who is strong and who isn't. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:57 Shikyo wrote: Lol it already oneshots an entire team. <3 I'll be enjoying carrying noobs with my Augment Q Viktor (buff it plz so it's even more imba) Btw you guys serious? Viktor will still be UP unless played by me with Augment Q, but they all go Augment E so he'll be awful Why the crap would you ever augment Q. The speed boost doesn't even last the 3 seconds it claims to last (it really lasts 2 seconds) and the stats it gives are the worst of the three augments. With the projectile speed increase leveling Q certainly seems much improved but augmenting it still seems entirely pointless. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:09 Ecael wrote: They have that implemented already on tourny realm I think, the King of Europe broadcast had the low hp champs' icons flashing red on the side. I guess this just means that it'll go live. yup I told them to implement this a while ago. Starcraft ideas ftw | ||
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