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If you want to whine about server lag, use the QQ thread. We all suffer alike when Riot servers kaput. No need to make a post about it in GD.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 29 2012 00:17 GMT
#3081
is this froggen guy EU?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#3082
not just EU.
CLG.EU!!!!!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#3083
wait so he goes warmogs/tear/mejais competitively?
wtf is that? o.o
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
January 29 2012 00:28 GMT
#3084
On January 29 2012 09:24 Frolossus wrote:
wait so he goes warmogs/tear/mejais competitively?
wtf is that? o.o


yeah, lol. In theory, it wasn't that bad of an idea vs a team with 2 APs.
derp
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2012 00:28 GMT
#3085
On January 29 2012 09:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 09:00 Zhiroo wrote:
Any streams out there who plays a lot of Kennen? Just bought him and wanna learn some tricks. :D

Kennen thread


Only streamer I know of is yellowpete, but that's AD Kennen.

But I'm fairly certain you don't learn anything about Kennen from streams anyways. He's very.... straightforward.

Salce #1 kennen in the world.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 29 2012 00:34 GMT
#3086
On January 29 2012 09:28 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 09:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 29 2012 09:00 Zhiroo wrote:
Any streams out there who plays a lot of Kennen? Just bought him and wanna learn some tricks. :D

Kennen thread


Only streamer I know of is yellowpete, but that's AD Kennen.

But I'm fairly certain you don't learn anything about Kennen from streams anyways. He's very.... straightforward.

Salce #1 kennen in the world.


You can get on IRC and ask him over PM to play Kennen. He usually obliges to people in his channel when they ask him to play one of the APs he usually mains.
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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
January 29 2012 00:35 GMT
#3087
He seems easy enough lol. 9-0-16 in first game. :D
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 00:45:45
January 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#3088
On January 29 2012 06:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
People slowly starting to realize that scaling doenst mean shit if you dont live. Realistically all aps should be built like bruisers: survivability first priority, damage after. You do more damage by being alive long enough to cast a spell you otherwise wouldnt than by going glass cannon and dying after getting off 1 rotation.

I'd say this is a reasonable development forward. Positioning can only mean so much when so many relevant anti-carry threats all have insane mobility.

It also follows something of a precedent--people eventually realized that pure damage items in DotA like Buriza and Desolator weren't worth shit unless you were fed as fuck, and that rounded stats items that gave a mix of survivability and damage were generally the better buys.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#3089
On January 29 2012 07:57 Two_DoWn wrote:
Im not saying that all ap's should build pure tank, but look at the evolution:

First we have pure glass cannon shit where people just rush DFG on everyone.
Then they realize that cata is op and everyone goes cata-ROA.
Then Riot nerfs cata and everyone alternates between ROA and 3 drings into cap
Then everyone starts to go wota cuz of the lane and fight sustain.
Now people starting to throw a tank item into an ap build to allow extra cast cycles before death.

History has demonstrated a consistent shifting away from glass cannon and towards more sustain and beefiness on casters.


The primary reason Catalyst was OP was because it gave you crazy lane sustain and the equivalent of a heal bait if you timed an all-in trade properly. This was also back before Riot adjusted mana regen to be less dependent on Runes/Masteries, so Catalyst made a huge difference in terms of maintaining mana levels.

That's also why DRing*3 became the next big thing. You could always sustain your health with a few cheap potions, but mana was something you really needed to build for. Now stuff like WotA is common because mana isn't quite the issue it used to be and junglers constantly pass blue buffs to their AP mids.

It's not that history has demonstrated a consistent shifting away from glass cannon builds, but a consistent shift toward whatever is the best method for winning a lane.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#3090
Yeah, I'm starting to build Cass tanky.

Went 15/0/13 in a normal off of Dcap Rylai's sorc boots, FON, and Warmogs.

I've always thought the tankier mages (Swain, Morgana, Vlad, Kennen) would start to become something to idealize.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
January 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#3091
YEAH Phreak motivating his team to go 4v5 with a troll on their team

so phreaking awesome.
derp
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
January 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#3092
Is it just me or is EUW down?
Best Teemo World
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
January 29 2012 01:25 GMT
#3093
Just you, working for me.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
January 29 2012 01:28 GMT
#3094
no, EUW dropped once, and is lagging like hell. servers are dying pretty sure
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
January 29 2012 01:29 GMT
#3095
I haven't had any server issues all night on EUW :O
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#3096
there was even an annoucement on the client about ingame lags

and froggen can build anivia like that because he is godly with her.
Using the stun skillshot and then directing ppl into it by walling and predicting the pathfinding based on where he thinks they probably clicked in half a second is just oO.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 29 2012 02:15 GMT
#3097
On January 29 2012 11:01 LaNague wrote:
there was even an annoucement on the client about ingame lags

and froggen can build anivia like that because he is godly with her.
Using the stun skillshot and then directing ppl into it by walling and predicting the pathfinding based on where he thinks they probably clicked in half a second is just oO.

are there any videos out there of him?
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
January 29 2012 03:21 GMT
#3098
server explosion ahhhhhh
GANDHISAUCE
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 29 2012 03:45 GMT
#3099
On January 29 2012 09:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 06:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
People slowly starting to realize that scaling doenst mean shit if you dont live. Realistically all aps should be built like bruisers: survivability first priority, damage after. You do more damage by being alive long enough to cast a spell you otherwise wouldnt than by going glass cannon and dying after getting off 1 rotation.

I'd say this is a reasonable development forward. Positioning can only mean so much when so many relevant anti-carry threats all have insane mobility.

It also follows something of a precedent--people eventually realized that pure damage items in DotA like Buriza and Desolator weren't worth shit unless you were fed as fuck, and that rounded stats items that gave a mix of survivability and damage were generally the better buys.


It all depends on hero, it still makes sense to build pure damage on heroes with extreme burst, where decent positioning will allow them to survive for the one second every 10-15 that they need to be in danger.

Not building tank on Cass and other heroes who need to sit in position in order to put out constant DPS is just silly though. I still think its niche though, most AP's are very bursty an can stay far back behind. Anivia is really the only other one than needs to get close in.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 29 2012 03:55 GMT
#3100
Rumble is tanky AP but building him tanky AP is obvious because he's melee.

Also Fizz.
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