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On January 26 2012 16:23 NotSorry wrote:
well can you tell me what the problem with me is cause I can't seem to 1v5 above 1400
The "problem" is that you're a 1400 level player
It's strange that people think being in the top ~5% of players is somehow shitty. I go to a school in the top 5% and it's amazing. If I was in the top 5% in terms of income, I'd be fucking rich. But even though I'm in the top 5% of League players I'm trash Elo.
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HotshotGG convinced that his Janna is #1 impossible to beat and that he can 1v2 while his AD carry farms. He's getting locodoco to play AD for him against Doublelift + Chauster.
HSGG saying that it's going to be the hardest bottom lane those two have ever played.
edit:
Apparently the secret is HP regen quints on your support.
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On January 26 2012 17:27 overt wrote:
HotshotGG convinced that his Janna is #1 impossible to beat and that he can 1v2 while his AD carry farms. He's getting locodoco to play AD for him against Doublelift + Chauster.
HSGG saying that it's going to be the hardest bottom lane those two have ever played.
edit:
Apparently the secret is HP regen quints on your support.
HOTSHOT WIN LOL!
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On January 26 2012 17:37 FR4CT4L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 17:27 overt wrote:
HotshotGG convinced that his Janna is #1 impossible to beat and that he can 1v2 while his AD carry farms. He's getting locodoco to play AD for him against Doublelift + Chauster.
HSGG saying that it's going to be the hardest bottom lane those two have ever played.
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Apparently the secret is HP regen quints on your support. HOTSHOT WIN LOL!
Now doublelift shittalking for a rematch? :D
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On January 26 2012 13:24 57 Corvette wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:08 gtrsrs wrote:
People have such narrow views of elo
Under 1700 BAD
Above 1900 PRO
under 1200 SUPERBAD
there's lots more variation than that
As twodown said, even 1200 players are good in the scheme of things
I would say the following, having played consistently with people at all elos from 700 to 2200
Under 700 - probably just playing to enjoy the game. Might not fully understand why some items are bad on some champs
700-1000 - lacking some fundamentals like map awareness or last hitting. May excel at other things though (I've seen 800 elo players that were dominant laners who just couldn't make good decisions or account for anything outside of their lanes)
1000-1200 - either players that are well rounded and just good, or players that are better than good but only at select matchups which they abuse
Bronze - likely very good at 1 position and average at best at others. Usually very good at 1 of the following: farming, laning, last-hitting, filling roles, teamfighting, map control
Silver - dominant players who know correct builds, timings, but lack knowledge of matchups and counters. Probably not good at ending a game. Inconsistent.
Gold - very good players who don't know what they can improve to become even better, or lack consistency to rise in the ladder. These players usually have extremely detailed knowledge about all matchups for a couple champs it even a couple riles. This elo is also where the worst attitudes start appearing
1700-plat: more consistent gold players. Won't derp away a lane or a big lead very often.
Plat: usually masters of a couple champs or at the least, very above average in all roles. Know when they can win an engage, and don't engage when they can't win. If you put 5 1900 players together and let them practice together for a month, they will beat 5 random top 50 players every time - the actual skill difference is not that great past this point, it's more of a lack of refinement and split-second decision making and comfort.
2100+: ragers.
2300+: doublelift alts
All elos think that (a) everyone below them, even people 10 elo belowthem, are HORRIBLE at the game, and (b) think that everyone above them, even 500 elo above them, is a worse player that got lucky. The higher you rise in elo the more conceited the players get, starting at 1400s who think "I could be plat if it weren't for feeders" all the way 1800s "I am gods gift to lol and the rain man is TERRIBLE at this game TSM SIGN ME" Judging by your logic I should be in silver, but some people are held back due to trolls/afkers/loss streaks, and some people are pushed beyond their skill level by getting extremely lucky and having someone carry their ass up. That would basically blur the borders between each skill level by even up to 100 elo each. Thats why you get people who don't know how to play at high elos and pros at low ELOs occasionally
well, to be fair, and i only know this because i can see that you are always hovering at 1200 because you're on my friend's list - 1000-1400 has the most variation simply because dead in teh center of that is where you START in ranked. so a 100 elo player starts at 1200 and is so bad that he causes an insta-loss for his four 1250 elo players. a plat-level player, however, will auto-win at 1200 and give his teammates elo no matter what. since this is the elo you play at, you have an extremely high chance to be put with players that are NOT 1200 elo (be they higher or lower) in their first couple games after placement. and yeah, from 1000-1300 i'd say there's a 100 elo blur between what you MIGHT BE and what you POSSIBLY ARE
the difficulties faced from 1000-1400 are mostly because your skill alone might not be enough to make up for 4 other teammates being slightly worse than 1200. like, a 1500 player might not be able to carry four 1100 players against four 1300 players. and that happens pretty regularly in that elo range. but as everyone says, with enough time you'll find your true elo
On January 26 2012 13:38 Jaso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2012 13:08 gtrsrs wrote:
People have such narrow views of elo
Under 1700 BAD
Above 1900 PRO
under 1200 SUPERBAD
there's lots more variation than that
As twodown said, even 1200 players are good in the scheme of things
I would say the following, having played consistently with people at all elos from 700 to 2200
Under 700 - probably just playing to enjoy the game. Might not fully understand why some items are bad on some champs
700-1000 - lacking some fundamentals like map awareness or last hitting. May excel at other things though (I've seen 800 elo players that were dominant laners who just couldn't make good decisions or account for anything outside of their lanes)
1000-1200 - either players that are well rounded and just good, or players that are better than good but only at select matchups which they abuse
Bronze - likely very good at 1 position and average at best at others. Usually very good at 1 of the following: farming, laning, last-hitting, filling roles, teamfighting, map control
Silver - dominant players who know correct builds, timings, but lack knowledge of matchups and counters. Probably not good at ending a game. Inconsistent.
Gold - very good players who don't know what they can improve to become even better, or lack consistency to rise in the ladder. These players usually have extremely detailed knowledge about all matchups for a couple champs it even a couple riles. This elo is also where the worst attitudes start appearing
1700-plat: more consistent gold players. Won't derp away a lane or a big lead very often.
Plat: usually masters of a couple champs or at the least, very above average in all roles. Know when they can win an engage, and don't engage when they can't win. If you put 5 1900 players together and let them practice together for a month, they will beat 5 random top 50 players every time - the actual skill difference is not that great past this point, it's more of a lack of refinement and split-second decision making and comfort.
2100+: ragers.
2300+: doublelift alts
All elos think that (a) everyone below them, even people 10 elo belowthem, are HORRIBLE at the game, and (b) think that everyone above them, even 500 elo above them, is a worse player that got lucky. The higher you rise in elo the more conceited the players get, starting at 1400s who think "I could be plat if it weren't for feeders" all the way 1800s "I am gods gift to lol and the rain man is TERRIBLE at this game TSM SIGN ME" This seems to be a pretty good summarization of the LoL ranked experience. We're just all elitist here at TL and refuse to believe that anyone who isn't a pro could be considered 'good.' Don't forget about the little guys.....guys. I really don't think you can say in general that 1200s are "well rounded" or "good". While I've never played a 1200 game, I'll assume they're worse than 1300s, and I've played a good number of games in 1300/1400. There's SO many people who will just play Vlad because he got a buff and then feed 0/6 before 15 minutes, or people who will call AD and have 50 cs by 20 minutes. Really I don't think you get an all-around competent level until 1400-1500.
nah, you're having selective memory. it's way easier to remember people that are bad or below average (hi, kmax9, you will live in infamy on this board!) because of their fabulously bad play. shit, we all worship and adore smashgizmo, but dyrus shittalks him nonstop when they get in game together because of one bad game he had months ago. i stick by my statement that 1200s are pretty well-rounded in the grand scheme of things.
your statement about vlad only goes to prove my point - i'm a jungle main. i will beat any 1600 player in the jungle because i know the ins and outs and i play jungle consistently. however, my abilities as an AP carry are like 1000 at best. i just don't "get" ap carries. so if i go play vlad, i'm gonna go 0-6. and i might play him because i saw some guy go 19-0 in the last game so i think he's OP. every time you see someone do really shitty with a champ at 1200 it means one of two things. (1) they don't play that champ or position, or (2) their opponent was better than them.
trust me, 1200s are quite wellrounded compared to the lower elos, and yes, i have played as low as 700.
i stand by my "analysis" of elo ratings, and all i would add is that as you go UP in elo, people make fewer mistakes and also know how to punish mistakes better. for example at 1400 an irelia main might not ever miss a last hit, but not ever know how to trade hits. not missing any cs is the mark of a good, even great player. that 1400 player is pretty damn good. by 1600, however, that same irelia can never miss a last hit OR know when missing a last hit will be beneficial (like when they can use that timing window to harass instead). by 2200 elo, mistakes are rare, but any time you make a mistake, your opponents will punish you
edit: also, sorry my last post was riddled with so many spelling errors. typing on ipod at work. and sorry this response is so delayed, just got home from work t.t
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Doublelift: "Just like at me and Chauster's track record. We never lose our bottom lane."
HotshotGG: "Until now."
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haha Doublelift and Chauster real mad after losing, trash talking Hotshot about everything from his Cho'gath to his Vlad
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On January 26 2012 17:43 overt wrote:
Doublelift: "Just like at me and Chauster's track record. We never lose our bottom lane."
HotshotGG: "Until now."
where do you guys watch this stuff?
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On January 26 2012 18:26 jbui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 17:43 overt wrote:
Doublelift: "Just like at me and Chauster's track record. We never lose our bottom lane."
HotshotGG: "Until now." where do you guys watch this stuff?
Streams, here is a link to hotshotgg's http://clgaming.net/live/565
and almost every LoL player who streams does it on www.own3d.tv
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Just played with my pre-level 30 friend. OMG so fucking annoyingly bad. I wanted to shout at EVERYONE. Most frustrating thing EVER.
I can't carry, because every single game FREE LEONA WEEK, CC EPIC CARRY TO DEATH. So fucking annoying 
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On January 26 2012 16:15 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 16:06 rob.au wrote:
The game changed a lot since jiji was stomping 1200-1500, for example a support hero was a rarity and warding anywhere but dragon was uncommon. This was actually true up until around 1800s even, so you could quite easily roam around and get fed from ganking without really ever wasting your time. Nowdays you have supports even in 1200 games that will throw down a bunch of wards, they might not cover everywhere but it still makes it harder to carry than before.
In addition to this no one really picked heroes with the idea they were good in solo queue, before elementz solo queue tier list most people were under the assumption heroes like anivia were the best since they were used in competitive play, meanwhile people like jiji picked pre-nerf tf (also turned out to be good in comp play, but godly ganks for solo queue). The community has become aware of this sort of thing now along with the game probably becoming more balanced. You could see this with sion a few months ago where he became basically #1 solo queue pick while remaining pretty weak in competitive play. The point was that Elo hell doesn't exist. And it doesn't. If you can't pull yourself into 2k elo the problem isn't because you get bad teammates, the problem is you.
The point is barely anyone just stomps games all the way to 2k anymore, if you watch dyrus/hotshot/reginald etc when they were grinding elo even a few weeks after the reset games were coming down to the wire with them barely winning. The ones who zoomed through were the people like chaox/westrice who at that point discovered talon/riven before everyone else.
Nowdays its not as simple as just going mid on annie and going 10-0 in 20mins people have to do things like keep track of neutral respawns so that your team can get better positioning or know exactly what picks to make so you can win bot lane etc...
There's no elo hell but there's also not as many avenues to outplay your opponent now either.
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Fizz is the next legit OP champ, lose a bit early game, hit 6, 1hit other laner who can't stop you because of untargetableness.
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On January 26 2012 15:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
I wish that we had permanent recordings of Jiji stomping around 12-1500 elo last year and saints brief (but AWESOME) 3 day stint at -2 elo.
There's actually two videos of saints negative Elo adventures. One game with twitch, the other one with Jax. I'ma look them up for you.
Twitch game
Jax game
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Say I have a friend that has an account with alot of skins, all the champions, and all the runes you could possibly want. He doesn't want to play anymore, but doesn't want to give his account up for free. Is somebody interested in making a deal? Not sure if this is the proper place or if we've set any kind of rules for this.
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On January 26 2012 18:47 rob.au wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 16:15 overt wrote:On January 26 2012 16:06 rob.au wrote:
The game changed a lot since jiji was stomping 1200-1500, for example a support hero was a rarity and warding anywhere but dragon was uncommon. This was actually true up until around 1800s even, so you could quite easily roam around and get fed from ganking without really ever wasting your time. Nowdays you have supports even in 1200 games that will throw down a bunch of wards, they might not cover everywhere but it still makes it harder to carry than before.
In addition to this no one really picked heroes with the idea they were good in solo queue, before elementz solo queue tier list most people were under the assumption heroes like anivia were the best since they were used in competitive play, meanwhile people like jiji picked pre-nerf tf (also turned out to be good in comp play, but godly ganks for solo queue). The community has become aware of this sort of thing now along with the game probably becoming more balanced. You could see this with sion a few months ago where he became basically #1 solo queue pick while remaining pretty weak in competitive play. The point was that Elo hell doesn't exist. And it doesn't. If you can't pull yourself into 2k elo the problem isn't because you get bad teammates, the problem is you. The point is barely anyone just stomps games all the way to 2k anymore, if you watch dyrus/hotshot/reginald etc when they were grinding elo even a few weeks after the reset games were coming down to the wire with them barely winning. The ones who zoomed through were the people like chaox/westrice who at that point discovered talon/riven before everyone else. Nowdays its not as simple as just going mid on annie and going 10-0 in 20mins people have to do things like keep track of neutral respawns so that your team can get better positioning or know exactly what picks to make so you can win bot lane etc... There's no elo hell but there's also not as many avenues to outplay your opponent now either.
......That's because EVERYONE was reset, and so you'd be playing with a whole range of players from all Elo brackets. They weren't just playing with shitty 1200's.
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On January 26 2012 18:38 wei2coolman wrote:Just played with my pre-level 30 friend. OMG so fucking annoyingly bad. I wanted to shout at EVERYONE. Most frustrating thing EVER. I can't carry, because every single game FREE LEONA WEEK, CC EPIC CARRY TO DEATH. So fucking annoying
Play Irelia, farm top for 20 minutes, get Mercs, fly through their team like it's nobody's business. If you can't carry pre-30s, chances are, it's not their fault.
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Ziggs is pretty epic looking.
That grin is awsome.
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On January 26 2012 19:09 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 18:38 wei2coolman wrote:Just played with my pre-level 30 friend. OMG so fucking annoyingly bad. I wanted to shout at EVERYONE. Most frustrating thing EVER. I can't carry, because every single game FREE LEONA WEEK, CC EPIC CARRY TO DEATH. So fucking annoying Play Irelia, farm top for 20 minutes, get Mercs, fly through their team like it's nobody's business. If you can't carry pre-30s, chances are, it's not their fault.
not really
you end up with everyone else overmatched and yourself undermatched
you have to be really ahead, since usually everyone else will be behind, potentially having fed as much as you did in lane
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Yeah I would generally avoid queuing into the sub-30's unless you're on a smurf or something, it'll most likely end up not being fun for your friend.
Their entire team being better than 80% of yours is no bueno.
And even if it does balance out, your friend is still going to be the worst in the game. From experience, they tend to not enjoy that so much.
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