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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
January 26 2012 05:55 GMT
#2441
On January 26 2012 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On January 26 2012 14:40 BlackMagister wrote:
CLG team discussion against DL, arguing that MiG did not have good comps they just lost to bad play or the comps, specifically the Sivir and Malphite comp, they had were the same as everyone else was running. I'm not sure why they think what Xpecial said about Lebanc beating Xerath is dumb, it seems like she would.


Lol, entire team v. Doublelift.
Poor guy.


Really? Everytime I watch Regi lane LB against Jiji's xerath in solo queue, he gets legendary by 20 minute mark lol.

Either Regi is just way better than Jiji, or what Xpecial says has merit.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 26 2012 06:00 GMT
#2442
Xerath isn't as good vs high mobility champs like leblanc. Leblanc is really aggressive and strong earlygame - jiji is very passive in lane and has a weak laning b/c of it. I think it's a combination of both.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 26 2012 06:01 GMT
#2443
LB def beats Xerath Regi, probably best LB, said it numerous times on stream and consistently beats Xeraths on stream to back up said talk.
TranslatorBaa!
iaeuy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States249 Posts
January 26 2012 06:04 GMT
#2444
On January 26 2012 13:24 57 Corvette wrote:
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On January 26 2012 13:08 gtrsrs wrote:
People have such narrow views of elo
Under 1700 BAD
Above 1900 PRO
under 1200 SUPERBAD

there's lots more variation than that

As twodown said, even 1200 players are good in the scheme of things

I would say the following, having played consistently with people at all elos from 700 to 2200
Under 700 - probably just playing to enjoy the game. Might not fully understand why some items are bad on some champs
700-1000 - lacking some fundamentals like map awareness or last hitting. May excel at other things though (I've seen 800 elo players that were dominant laners who just couldn't make good decisions or account for anything outside of their lanes)
1000-1200 - either players that are well rounded and just good, or players that are better than good but only at select matchups which they abuse
Bronze - likely very good at 1 position and average at best at others. Usually very good at 1 of the following: farming, laning, last-hitting, filling roles, teamfighting, map control
Silver - dominant players who know correct builds, timings, but lack knowledge of matchups and counters. Probably not good at ending a game. Inconsistent.
Gold - very good players who don't know what they can improve to become even better, or lack consistency to rise in the ladder. These players usually have extremely detailed knowledge about all matchups for a couple champs it even a couple riles. This elo is also where the worst attitudes start appearing
1700-plat: more consistent gold players. Won't derp away a lane or a big lead very often.
Plat: usually masters of a couple champs or at the least, very above average in all roles. Know when they can win an engage, and don't engage when they can't win. If you put 5 1900 players together and let them practice together for a month, they will beat 5 random top 50 players every time - the actual skill difference is not that great past this point, it's more of a lack of refinement and split-second decision making and comfort.
2100+: ragers.
2300+: doublelift alts

All elos think that (a) everyone below them, even people 10 elo belowthem, are HORRIBLE at the game, and (b) think that everyone above them, even 500 elo above them, is a worse player that got lucky. The higher you rise in elo the more conceited the players get, starting at 1400s who think "I could be plat if it weren't for feeders" all the way 1800s "I am gods gift to lol and the rain man is TERRIBLE at this game TSM SIGN ME"

...That would basically blur the borders between each skill level by even up to 100 elo each. Thats why you get people who don't know how to play at high elos and pros at low ELOs occasionally

I don't really agree with this claim. While not every high elo player is amazing, I don't think there is a single 1900+ player that can't play the game on at least decent level. I also think that if you can't carry yourself out of 1k elo, you can't really be considered "pro"; pretty much any high elo player can win 1k elo games by just going 10/0 every game.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 26 2012 06:10 GMT
#2445
I wish that we had permanent recordings of Jiji stomping around 12-1500 elo last year and saints brief (but AWESOME) 3 day stint at -2 elo.

Anyone who says elo hell exists should be forced to watch those games.

And like, in my personal opinion, 1200 elo was elo HEAVEN, mostly because the players there are bad enough for you to get fed but good enough to KNOW they suck and let you boss them around.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 26 2012 06:13 GMT
#2446
So Kennen pretty much shits on Riven top.

True story.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
January 26 2012 06:15 GMT
#2447
I was talking about how LB is a 10-0 matchup(fighting game terms) against Xerath in spudparty ages ago, ya'll needed to listen! (Jatt's comment about him having a few seriously terrible matchups, which happen to include a few of the very common AP mids in competition, is basically what my ranting about him was always based on, always).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 26 2012 06:24 GMT
#2448
Jatt never did say what he thought the counters to Xerath were. TSM thinks it's Leblanc and Kassadin. I think they may have said one more, but I forget. Though what about Morganna vs Xerath, shield his stun, can farm fairly safely with her W.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 26 2012 06:50 GMT
#2449
On January 25 2012 11:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On January 25 2012 10:44 Zhiroo wrote:
On January 25 2012 10:37 LaNague wrote:
new champ, heimers best buddy?

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=565521


I think he's gonna be some kind of rival seeing as the newspaper in the picture seems like Heim, who knows.
It's not Heimer in the newspaper, it's the new character. He looks like the Cheshire Cat with a toupee and glowing goggle-eyes.
[image loading]
They made it look like Heimer to try to trick you.
On January 26 2012 13:31 Zhiroo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1751277

Art spotlight for the new champ is out.

I was... right??? O.o
you gotta dance
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 06:54:15
January 26 2012 06:52 GMT
#2450
Some real SV gems in this game (directed at silsol)

"How you run out of mana. You have three sheens"
"NOOOOO SILSOL! YOU HAVE TOO MANY SHEENS TO LIVE FOR!"
"oh he has the master plan! He is gonna turn them all into lich banes! We were all fools. We were all fools, man."
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 07:06:54
January 26 2012 07:06 GMT
#2451
The game changed a lot since jiji was stomping 1200-1500, for example a support hero was a rarity and warding anywhere but dragon was uncommon. This was actually true up until around 1800s even, so you could quite easily roam around and get fed from ganking without really ever wasting your time. Nowdays you have supports even in 1200 games that will throw down a bunch of wards, they might not cover everywhere but it still makes it harder to carry than before.

In addition to this no one really picked heroes with the idea they were good in solo queue, before elementz solo queue tier list most people were under the assumption heroes like anivia were the best since they were used in competitive play, meanwhile people like jiji picked pre-nerf tf (also turned out to be good in comp play, but godly ganks for solo queue). The community has become aware of this sort of thing now along with the game probably becoming more balanced. You could see this with sion a few months ago where he became basically #1 solo queue pick while remaining pretty weak in competitive play.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 26 2012 07:15 GMT
#2452
On January 26 2012 16:06 rob.au wrote:
The game changed a lot since jiji was stomping 1200-1500, for example a support hero was a rarity and warding anywhere but dragon was uncommon. This was actually true up until around 1800s even, so you could quite easily roam around and get fed from ganking without really ever wasting your time. Nowdays you have supports even in 1200 games that will throw down a bunch of wards, they might not cover everywhere but it still makes it harder to carry than before.

In addition to this no one really picked heroes with the idea they were good in solo queue, before elementz solo queue tier list most people were under the assumption heroes like anivia were the best since they were used in competitive play, meanwhile people like jiji picked pre-nerf tf (also turned out to be good in comp play, but godly ganks for solo queue). The community has become aware of this sort of thing now along with the game probably becoming more balanced. You could see this with sion a few months ago where he became basically #1 solo queue pick while remaining pretty weak in competitive play.


The point was that Elo hell doesn't exist. And it doesn't. If you can't pull yourself into 2k elo the problem isn't because you get bad teammates, the problem is you.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 07:27:33
January 26 2012 07:23 GMT
#2453
well can you tell me what the problem with me is cause I can't seem to 1v5 above 1400
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 07:29:25
January 26 2012 07:28 GMT
#2454
Elo is an indication your ability to play in a 5v5 setting, not your ability to play in a vacuum. There is no magic force holding you back because your teammates always suck.

On January 26 2012 15:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
LB def beats Xerath Regi, probably best LB, said it numerous times on stream and consistently beats Xeraths on stream to back up said talk.

If the question is 1v1, sure. Assassins always shit on normal mages. But in terms of who is more useful as a whole, I'd prefer Xerath.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 26 2012 07:29 GMT
#2455
On January 26 2012 15:24 BlackMagister wrote:
Jatt never did say what he thought the counters to Xerath were. TSM thinks it's Leblanc and Kassadin. I think they may have said one more, but I forget. Though what about Morganna vs Xerath, shield his stun, can farm fairly safely with her W.


Veigarrrrrr
TranslatorBaa!
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
January 26 2012 07:30 GMT
#2456
On January 26 2012 15:52 Two_DoWn wrote:
Some real SV gems in this game (directed at silsol)

"How you run out of mana. You have three sheens"
"NOOOOO SILSOL! YOU HAVE TOO MANY SHEENS TO LIVE FOR!"
"oh he has the master plan! He is gonna turn them all into lich banes! We were all fools. We were all fools, man."

i also like the
"You pick caitlyn, but also get the retard team
...
It's her passive !!"
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
January 26 2012 07:47 GMT
#2457
On January 26 2012 16:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 15:24 BlackMagister wrote:
Jatt never did say what he thought the counters to Xerath were. TSM thinks it's Leblanc and Kassadin. I think they may have said one more, but I forget. Though what about Morganna vs Xerath, shield his stun, can farm fairly safely with her W.


Veigarrrrrr


Katarinaaaaaa

Cant stun me with E + Q when im behind you pewpew
KCCO!
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
January 26 2012 07:47 GMT
#2458
On January 26 2012 16:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 15:24 BlackMagister wrote:
Jatt never did say what he thought the counters to Xerath were. TSM thinks it's Leblanc and Kassadin. I think they may have said one more, but I forget. Though what about Morganna vs Xerath, shield his stun, can farm fairly safely with her W.


Veigarrrrrr


Veigar? I would think that would be a horrible pick. One mistake and you're dead. Whereas LB can make all sorts of mistakes.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
January 26 2012 07:50 GMT
#2459
On January 26 2012 16:47 jacosajh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 16:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 26 2012 15:24 BlackMagister wrote:
Jatt never did say what he thought the counters to Xerath were. TSM thinks it's Leblanc and Kassadin. I think they may have said one more, but I forget. Though what about Morganna vs Xerath, shield his stun, can farm fairly safely with her W.


Veigarrrrrr


Veigar? I would think that would be a horrible pick. One mistake and you're dead. Whereas LB can make all sorts of mistakes.

Veigar's gameplan:
Feed Lb all game
One shot her with ult.
NP
boomer hands
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 26 2012 08:10 GMT
#2460
Just played a game with Rammus(I know I know..op but I play normals and need to hit 30 first) with a few 1300-1500 ELO players(via their claim) and managed to keep up with my team and wreck the others. Pretty pumped since I still don't even know half of the heroes in this game(recent transfer from HoN). Tried Soraka today though, so far my favorite support next to Karma.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
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