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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
December 30 2011 16:11 GMT
#141
On December 31 2011 00:41 Sabin010 wrote:
To beat the fish, you must lane vs the fish(...)

In other words junle fizz = unbeatable. I am a genius!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 30 2011 16:13 GMT
#142
On December 30 2011 18:55 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 14:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
PS- correct kennen build is wota->cap.

Entirely skipping Rylai's? That sounds like an idea. Don't you find your survivability a little bit lackluster?

At that point in the game, who cares? I jump in, ult them, and they melt. Remember, an ap caster is meant to kill shit. For someone like kennen who really only needs to ult, killing shit faster and forcing the enemy team to deal with you is better than not being able to kill shit and being alive.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
December 30 2011 16:14 GMT
#143
On December 31 2011 01:13 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 18:55 Shiv. wrote:
On December 30 2011 14:26 Two_DoWn wrote:
PS- correct kennen build is wota->cap.

Entirely skipping Rylai's? That sounds like an idea. Don't you find your survivability a little bit lackluster?

At that point in the game, who cares? I jump in, ult them, and they melt. Remember, an ap caster is meant to kill shit. For someone like kennen who really only needs to ult, killing shit faster and forcing the enemy team to deal with you is better than not being able to kill shit and being alive.


Also dont underestimate the survivabilty wota gives you, which dcap improves.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 30 2011 16:32 GMT
#144
On December 30 2011 18:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On December 30 2011 14:03 Requizen wrote:
On December 30 2011 13:59 NotSorry wrote:
On December 30 2011 13:11 Requizen wrote:
Meh, magic and physics are separate. He's not going to magically make his kunai spin instead of fly straight, he's just going to throw them. Magic swords are magic, kunai are kunai.

/nitpick


He uses his lightning abilities to create different magnetic poles on the kunai forcing it to spin

The only way that would work is if he consistently switched which poles were positive and negative, otherwise one end would just constantly point North.

Why am I doing this?

Actually, I believe I've solved the mystery.

Kennen induces a constant counter-clockwise (looking head-on) current in the air around him. This produces a constant outwards-pointing magnetic field.

Figure 1:
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[image loading]


When Kennen throws the Kunai, there's also a current running through the perimeter of it. As the Kunai moves in the magnetic field, it experiences forces on each side due to the electric current running through it. These forces produce a net torque that makes the Kunai spin, as seen in the animation.

Figure 2:
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[image loading]


PHYSICS! (Hope I didn't screw this up, lol)

A+ for drawing! :D
liftlift > tsm
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 16:37:54
December 30 2011 16:35 GMT
#145
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin.
CokeFTW
Profile Joined November 2011
United States39 Posts
December 30 2011 16:55 GMT
#146
I go WOTA > RYLIAS > DEATHCAP for Kennen. Have like 75% wr on Kennen in ranked. All I can say is Kennen doesn't lose lane
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
December 30 2011 16:59 GMT
#147
On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin.


hot girl shooting motherfucking spinning arrows with her bow? totally would buy that.

i was hoping that they would make kennens ulti look snowy or something like frost queen jannas ult
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 30 2011 17:02 GMT
#148
It isnt that rylais is bad on kennen. It just that as a second item, it really doesnt do anything for you. Just based on energy costs you should be at near 0 energy after ult, w, e and a few shurikens. So it doesnt really matter if you stay alive past that, everything else is gravy. Not to mention the fact that you are going to get focused regardless, you are kennen. Extra hp with no resists really isnt going to do a whole lot for you.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 30 2011 17:29 GMT
#149
On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin.


Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them.

So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 30 2011 17:29 GMT
#150
how can you say it doesnt matter, chasing to clear up. pushing lanes after a win. slows in every situation. "ill just ult and die who cares" is a misleading thing to say.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 30 2011 17:33 GMT
#151
As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 17:44:18
December 30 2011 17:43 GMT
#152
On December 31 2011 02:33 JackDino wrote:
As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage.

Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.

Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that?
currently rooting for myself.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 30 2011 17:45 GMT
#153
On December 31 2011 02:43 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 02:33 JackDino wrote:
As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage.

Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.

Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that?

Rumble is a tanky mage, there are exceptions but generally going dcap first or 2nd is best.
WotA is pretty good on cass because of her single target E spam.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 30 2011 17:49 GMT
#154
On December 31 2011 02:43 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 02:33 JackDino wrote:
As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage.

Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.

Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that?



If you dont go RoA -> Rabadons with karthus what do you do then?
hi
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 30 2011 17:56 GMT
#155
On December 31 2011 02:49 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 02:43 Shiv. wrote:
On December 31 2011 02:33 JackDino wrote:
As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage.

Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.

Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that?



If you dont go RoA -> Rabadons with karthus what do you do then?

I was always under the impression that it goes RoA -> WotA -> Deathcap. Then again, I'm by no means an experienced Karthus player, I just thought to have his build memorized that way.
currently rooting for myself.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 30 2011 17:56 GMT
#156
You go Deathcap first on Kennen when you can get away with it. (ie you are most likely mid and the only ap and so you need the damage)

You go Scepter first on Kennen when you need to survive and kite(most likely playing top lane and or not the only ap dmg dealer on team)

I am not generally a Kennen player but I thought this was the general rule of thumb.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 30 2011 17:59 GMT
#157
On December 31 2011 02:56 Parnage wrote:
You go Deathcap first on Kennen when you can get away with it. (ie you are most likely mid and the only ap and so you need the damage)

You go Scepter first on Kennen when you need to survive and kite(most likely playing top lane and or not the only ap dmg dealer on team)

I am not generally a Kennen player but I thought this was the general rule of thumb.

Always rush wota. Its stupid not to. After that dcap is generally the best choice, although if you are shitting on the enemy team and want to tower dive a zhonyas isnt a terrible choice.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 18:10:29
December 30 2011 18:05 GMT
#158
On December 31 2011 02:29 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote:
I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work.
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin.


Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them.

So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you.

That is what I was disputing if you want to test it. Fill a water bottle about to 1/10th. Then throw it in the air and watch what happens. even if you try to spin it, it will try to right itself. The same works for something as unbalanced as a Kunai. (Yes I know they are not supposed to be thrown). So not arguing that a kunai shouldn't be thrown but the shape, balance and weight of kunai would make it like a dart, and you don't spin a dart.
LlOoKkIi
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Korea (South)473 Posts
December 30 2011 18:08 GMT
#159
On December 31 2011 01:55 CokeFTW wrote:
I go WOTA > RYLIAS > DEATHCAP for Kennen. Have like 75% wr on Kennen in ranked. All I can say is Kennen doesn't lose lane

I go basically the same build just sometimes get rylais first if i am really destroying my opponent, cause then there is no way he is killing me. But yeah I find kennen is a pretty damn good solo queue champ, rarely ever loses lane.
Korean Highschool Exchange Student. Apink's Eunji #1
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 18:18:03
December 30 2011 18:12 GMT
#160
On December 31 2011 02:49 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 02:43 Shiv. wrote:
On December 31 2011 02:33 JackDino wrote:
As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage.

Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.

Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that?



If you dont go RoA -> Rabadons with karthus what do you do then?

RoA->RoA->RoA with an early tear:p.
As for Kennen, Kunai actually can spin.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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