EPTOn December 31 2011 00:41 Sabin010 wrote:
To beat the fish, you must lane vs the fish(...)
To beat the fish, you must lane vs the fish(...)
In other words junle fizz = unbeatable. I am a genius!
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
In other words junle fizz = unbeatable. I am a genius! | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 30 2011 18:55 Shiv. wrote: Entirely skipping Rylai's? That sounds like an idea. Don't you find your survivability a little bit lackluster? At that point in the game, who cares? I jump in, ult them, and they melt. Remember, an ap caster is meant to kill shit. For someone like kennen who really only needs to ult, killing shit faster and forcing the enemy team to deal with you is better than not being able to kill shit and being alive. | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
On December 31 2011 01:13 Two_DoWn wrote: At that point in the game, who cares? I jump in, ult them, and they melt. Remember, an ap caster is meant to kill shit. For someone like kennen who really only needs to ult, killing shit faster and forcing the enemy team to deal with you is better than not being able to kill shit and being alive. Also dont underestimate the survivabilty wota gives you, which dcap improves. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 30 2011 18:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Actually, I believe I've solved the mystery. Kennen induces a constant counter-clockwise (looking head-on) current in the air around him. This produces a constant outwards-pointing magnetic field. Figure 1: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DvuFj.png) When Kennen throws the Kunai, there's also a current running through the perimeter of it. As the Kunai moves in the magnetic field, it experiences forces on each side due to the electric current running through it. These forces produce a net torque that makes the Kunai spin, as seen in the animation. Figure 2: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RmMXK.png) PHYSICS! (Hope I didn't screw this up, lol) A+ for drawing! :D | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin. | ||
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CokeFTW
United States39 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote: I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work. Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin. hot girl shooting motherfucking spinning arrows with her bow? totally would buy that. i was hoping that they would make kennens ulti look snowy or something  like frost queen jannas ult | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On December 31 2011 01:35 Hynda wrote: I wasn't the one bringing logic into this! I just said it looked god awful and it does! Then he said "But a kunai would spin" and I just wanted to point out that you can't really make that argument cause in the real world it wouldn't work. Yes sure he can make them spin by magic, STILL LOOKS DUMB. It's as if Ashes arrows would start spinning sideways in one of her skins, it would look ridiculous and nobody would get that skin. Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them. So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:33 JackDino wrote: As a mage, you first or second big item should always be deathcap. If you go Wota into rylais you wont do da damage compared to the enemy AP, gl chasing and cleaing up without any real damage. Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:43 Shiv. wrote: Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that? Rumble is a tanky mage, there are exceptions but generally going dcap first or 2nd is best. WotA is pretty good on cass because of her single target E spam. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:43 Shiv. wrote: Yeah, chasing on Kennen too hard Also, Karthus and Fizz would like a word with you. Not saying most mages shouldn't, but not every mage is supposed to. Ahri and I'm guessing Victor will probably not build an early Deathcap either. Rumble might if he lanes mid, but does not necessarily have to. I'm not seasoned enough on Kennen to know wether he needs it as a second item or not, but I know there's champs who don't need Deathcap as their 2nd big item, that's why I was asking.Edit: While we're at it, I know some people prefer Rylai's -> WotA on Cass. How viable is that? If you dont go RoA -> Rabadons with karthus what do you do then? | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:49 Sponkz wrote: If you dont go RoA -> Rabadons with karthus what do you do then? I was always under the impression that it goes RoA -> WotA -> Deathcap. Then again, I'm by no means an experienced Karthus player, I just thought to have his build memorized that way. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
You go Scepter first on Kennen when you need to survive and kite(most likely playing top lane and or not the only ap dmg dealer on team) I am not generally a Kennen player but I thought this was the general rule of thumb. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:56 Parnage wrote: You go Deathcap first on Kennen when you can get away with it. (ie you are most likely mid and the only ap and so you need the damage) You go Scepter first on Kennen when you need to survive and kite(most likely playing top lane and or not the only ap dmg dealer on team) I am not generally a Kennen player but I thought this was the general rule of thumb. Always rush wota. Its stupid not to. After that dcap is generally the best choice, although if you are shitting on the enemy team and want to tower dive a zhonyas isnt a terrible choice. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:29 Parnage wrote: Actually I said Kunai are not supposed to be thrown(big misconception that) in the first place and if you did throw them you would most likely need to spin them this is assuming it's balanced for it I have no idea I just know you don't bloody throw them. So in short, Kennen does whatever the hell he wants because are you going to tell him otherwise? of course not. He'll hit R and run at you. That is what I was disputing if you want to test it. Fill a water bottle about to 1/10th. Then throw it in the air and watch what happens. even if you try to spin it, it will try to right itself. The same works for something as unbalanced as a Kunai. (Yes I know they are not supposed to be thrown). So not arguing that a kunai shouldn't be thrown but the shape, balance and weight of kunai would make it like a dart, and you don't spin a dart. | ||
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LlOoKkIi
Korea (South)473 Posts
On December 31 2011 01:55 CokeFTW wrote: I go WOTA > RYLIAS > DEATHCAP for Kennen. Have like 75% wr on Kennen in ranked. All I can say is Kennen doesn't lose lane I go basically the same build just sometimes get rylais first if i am really destroying my opponent, cause then there is no way he is killing me. But yeah I find kennen is a pretty damn good solo queue champ, rarely ever loses lane. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:49 Sponkz wrote: If you dont go RoA -> Rabadons with karthus what do you do then? RoA->RoA->RoA with an early tear:p. As for Kennen, Kunai actually can spin. | ||
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